We're back with Lindsay Erdodi, the editor-inchief of Free Press Indiana News for another round of Hooser headlines. Today's episode will cover what's been reported on by Free Press Indiana News in recent [music] weeks, including, but not limited to, the 2026 general election, Indiana's new laws allowing schoolboard [music] candidates to list a party affiliation on the ballot, flat camera disputes, rural firefighter departments that are in need of volunteer firefighters, transitional housing, and the skilled trades [music] gap for women, as well as uh my personal favorite story of the week, maybe Amish voting in [music] Elcart Welcome to another edition of Who's Your Headlines right here on Get In. Lindsay, what's going on? Hey, thanks for having me back. I mean, this is uh I think we have our next three or two or three through the end of the year. We've been getting uh glowing reviews.
People love our Who's Your Headlines episodes. They think that it's just I feel like it's a a spot that I mean, in the way that we distribute distribute media is there's just a gap. and we're kind of like coming in there and talking about everything from again the 2026 election that's coming up next week to Yeah. next week. That's insane. Uh to, you know, awardwinning Guinness Book of World Record holding gravediggers.
Everything is uh on the table when it comes to these episodes, which I love. Yes. Um well, I guess we won't bury the lead here. And we're just going to start by talking through the general election. Yeah. So, when this episode comes out, uh this is going to come out on Friday, and that means that next week, uh we're just a few days away from uh the election.
Yep. And obviously, if anyone is online or watching TV or anything, it is all over the place. The Secretary of State race seems to be the like it I mean, we knew it was the one. We've sat down with every uh candidate and I mean now like you have I like national politicians that are chiming in on the Indiana Secretary of State race which is really interesting because again it goes back to this is a very important election but it's not like uh it's not like that crazy for like policym when it comes to like the role of secretary of state. Sure. Yeah.
And that's that's one thing I think a lot of people don't may not even know. what does a secretary of state do? Um, but it is important in the sense that like they run our elections and oversee all of that. So like candidate filings, campaign finance filings, you know, if you've ever wanted to dig into who's getting contributions from who, like you're going to a secretary of state database and and trying to find that. They also handle uh new business filings. So if you've ever started a new business in the state, which a lot of people have, you're filing paperwork with the Secretary of State's office and they can either make that hard or difficult for you, you know.
And one thing about Free Press Indiana News is you guys are nonpartisan. Correct. Like you are not leaning one way or the other. I know that's just been a big piece of journalism and media over the I mean maybe the last decade or so is like everyone has their own political leanings this that you guys are non nonpartisan unbiased news and you actually did a poll. Yeah. Talk to me about how you guys ended up doing getting into polling and the results that came out of your I think this is the first ever uh kind of like uh free press Indiana news poll.
Yes. Uh I'm very excited to talk about this. Uh years ago, people may remember media outlets used to do polls like this, especially when coming upon a big election like a midterm election like we're in right now or a presidential election. um to get that like independent polling because what you'll see now is a lot of candidates or the parties will commission polls, but those are they often don't release, you know, all the results with it. They withhold some things that, you know, may not make them look good or make their candidate look good. And you also have to think about like they're the ones paying the company to do it.
And so it's just a little less um trustworthy in that way. And so we wanted to, you know, one of our key missions is filling news gaps, filling gaps across the state. This was a gap that we saw of there's no independent polling in the Secretary of State's race or the other statewide races that we have this year and along with uh you know what are the top issues that Hoosiers care about right now and how do they feel about the president? How do they feel about the governor? So, those are all the sorts of things that we ask people about. And we used uh Bellweather Research, which uh has a reputation for doing really great polling in Indiana and in other places.
Uh we surveyed over 800 likely Indiana voters. So, those are people who are saying, "I've either already voted or I definitely have plans to vote." And uh the sample, which I think is really important to point out too, was 49% of people identifying as Republican or leaning Republican and 40% identifying as Democrats or leaning Democrats. So it's over sampled slightly on the Republican side, which makes sense because we are such a conservative state. So that's one thing I've seen a lot of back and forth about with the poll is they're like, "Well, is it accurate? Did you poll enough Republicans?"
And it's like, well, yes, we over sampled on Republicans. 40 49% Republican, 40% Democrat, and then the other independent just like general hoosers. Yeah. Okay. Wow. And so, how does the process Here's the thing.
I think we talked about this, I think, on this show. I don't know anyone who's ever been like, uh, tapped for a poll. So, how does the process of polling work? Like, do you guys work with Belleather? Bellweather handles um they they work with um other people who make all the calls for us. So that's something to point out too.
Like these were phone calls or text messages that people would have gotten. Yeah. Um I know for sure they went out there because I actually heard um someone on our staff got one of the texts. They didn't respond. [laughter] Okay. Wow.
All right. So, hey, you officially know someone who has been, you know. Yes. I've gotten texts for other polls, too, actually. So, yeah. Which I don't I don't take, but Okay.
Respect. Um Okay. So, one, we get into these results. It's 49 Republican, 40 Democrat, 11% other people. And what do you what all did we survey? Let's go through like line by line like how many different questions were there?
Not counting, you know, the demographic questions that we asked. 19 questions. Oh wow. One kudos to whoever is taking a 19 question poll. Like I I feel like Yes. Thank you to everyone who took a poll.
800 people, which is a pretty good sample size. of the 800 people, what were like the most uh top-of-theline, what's the headlines from the polling? Uh, two things really stand out to me on it. One of the things we asked was about what is your top concern and the biggest portion of people said government corruption. That came in at 24% of people picked that as their top concern. How many different things could they choose from on that one?
There was about 15 options that people could choose from for what is their top concern. And the other one that I would have thought would have been at the top of the list was cost of living and inflation. That actually came in as a number two top concern. Like 79% of these people said that they were certain to vote. So I mean these are involved individuals. Yeah.
14 different choices and almost a quarter of the people 24% say government corruption which I do feel like has been a with this specific secretary of state election has been a big topic of concern just given all the different things all the different things you're seeing in the media too and just like across I feel like people are skeptical like there's just a large base of of Americans that are skeptical of the government so that kind of makes sense then you said inflation and cost of living is 20%. Mhm. Um, immigration and border security 11 just something else. This is interesting. Child care costs and availability less than 1%. I feel like that and then schools is only 3%.
And I feel like everywhere you're hearing about uh referendums. Yep. Like that's Especially in central Indiana. Maybe not all over the state, but in central Indiana. Oh no, they're all over the state. Yeah, they're all over the state.
Yeah, the referendums. And for only 3% of people to be uh to have that as something that they're worried about and healthcare, I think is another one that people talk about. Yeah. Data centers is another one that people like are really up in arms about. Yeah. But that's not what the data says people actually care about.
Yeah. I think when you're having to like pick your top priority, that's what we're seeing that like that is just not the top priority for people. Not to say it's not a priority or something they care about because we also, you know, for data centers, for example, asked a different question just about how people felt about the construction of new data centers and an overwhelming amount of people said they were opposed to it. So, it is something they care about, I think. It's just not the top concern. And so, seeing government corruption as the top concern was just a little uh not what I would have expected.
I I kind of would have thought cost of living and inflation actually would have been the top cuz that gets at some of the other issues like health care cost, child care costs, you know, it's kind of like a catchall for those. Okay. Uh then then you do you go on to do approval ratings of both the president and the governor. M uh again like 54% of people are like is the total thing of cuz you could do strongly approve somewhat approve somewhat dis disapprove and then strongly disapprove. And so it was 44% approve of president 54% totally disapprove. Yeah.
I think that was actually one of my other um big takeaways looking at this question and then also kind of the um the head-to-head results and some of the other questions about how the Republican party is doing versus the Democratic party in the state and seeing Democrats perform better in this poll and people kind of be against some of the Republicans, right? Like the strong disapproval for President Trump. We can talk about Governor Brun's approval. He's also underwater. uh the Secretary of State's race, we had the Democratic candidate. Uh so that's you kind of combine all these things and see like there's a national trend right now of people kind of being against the Republicans, which is pretty common.
Republicans are in control right now. And every midterm election, you generally see people are against whatever party is in charge. Um so same thing happens, you know, if Democrats are in charge in a midterm election, you see people be anti-democrats. Um, but a lot of times since we are such a conservative state, you don't see that as much here. You still see like the strong Republican support. So that kind of stood out to me.
It's interesting. What was the geographic makeup of the respondents? Did you have that? They're all over. Yeah. So what cuz like if you said this was central Indiana or like Indianapolis, Marian County, Donut counties, I could kind of see that too.
But if you're getting respondents from all over where you're definitely going to see a lot more, you know, die hard multi-generational Republican voters, yard signs, the whole nine yards. Um the fact that if you guys looked at what the geographic makeup is, that would be interesting for me thinking about uh cuz I I definitely see that is the trend here in central Indiana. But the further you get away from Indianapolis and you know probably not like Lake County in the region um it does seem like that is where you know uh multigenerational conservative voters are like the bigger market breakdown I do have it kind of by county but let's not get that granular with it but looking at the bigger markets it is the base sample is 49% in like the greater Indianapolis area so that I would kind of consider like central Indiana right it's not just Marian the greater Fort Wayne area was 11%. That northwest Indiana section um which even includes Lafayette, so kind of Lafayette going north 18%.
11% in the Teroot Evansville portion of the state and then 11% in the like Cincinnati down into Louisville side. Yep. Yeah. Okay, that's interesting. I do wonder. Yeah, we're going to find out.
It's going to be telling. Tuesday is really interesting. That brings us perfectly into our next segment of of the data that you guys got into, which was talking specifically about each candidate. Yeah. And this is what's interesting to me is uh for each of the following people, please say whether you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of them. One, if you're planning on voting in this upcoming election and you've never heard of Bo by Max Ingling or Greg Ballard, like specifically the first two, I feel like those are the the ones that like are on they're just everywhere on the news.
So, it would be wild to me that you would say, "Oh yeah, I'm certainly voting, but I've never heard of one of the candidates." [laughter] Like, is that like that's kind of a conundrum to me anyway? Yeah. But I think that's why you see a lot of people just vote based on the party by someone's name. And that's why like to Greg Ballard's point in this race, why it's hard or or Lorie Schilling's point in this race, like it's hard for someone without that RD to get support. You know, we saw in the poll that 48% said they had never heard of Max Ingling, but at the end of the day, we know a lot of Republicans go and vote vote U straight party ticket.
And so he's going to get a lot of support just from people doing that. and being like, "Yep, I I like all the Republican candidates up and down." Yeah, that's fair. Um, it's really interesting to see. Okay, so the the data says, okay, so for Bo, 35% have a favorable opinion, 18% of unfavorable, 20% have heard of him but have no opinion, 27% of of people surveyed have never heard of him. For Max, 12% favorable, 17% unfavorable.
So he has a less amount of unfavorable percentage there. 24% have heard of him but have no opinion. And 48% have never heard of him. Mhm. Which like that is you're wondering then where that stacks up between like lifelong Republican voters and people that like are still out there trying to figure it out. Mhm.
Yeah. Same thing for uh Greg Ballard. 13% is favorable, 15% unfavorable. 28% have heard of and have no opinion. and 44% have never heard of him. Then for Lori, again, we've had go back and listen.
We sat down with every candidate for an hour and just got to know them as people. And at the end of the day, each one of them have their pros, their cons. It was just cool for me specifically to like get to experience who they are as people. Mhm. Um I feel like when you're on a debate stage or you're on social media or you see these really dramatic political ads, it's like oh man, like you know, but when you're here for an hour, it's tough to you know, you just have to be a normal person and and chitchat, which I think people really enjoy. Um but going to Lori is 4% favorable, 6% unfavorable, 25% have heard and have no opinion, and 65% of people surveyed have never heard of Lori.
Yeah. And to your point earlier about, you know, the the party breakdown here, I will note that uh 85%, you know, in the the group that we pulled out of the Democrats, 85% of those Democrats said they're going to vote for BY. So that's strong party support for BY, right? If you look at the Republican support for Ingling, it's 68% of Republicans that we pulled said they are for sure going to vote for Ingling. So, that's a little bit of a gap, too, that you would think like he's he's gonna need to to make that up and like get his party base supporting him. Well, I think that is like the the thing that um why national politicians have gotten in on this race.
Uh if you saw like JD Vance's tweet. Yeah. And Donald Trump Jr. was tweeting about it. Oh, did I did I see that? I didn't see that one.
Maybe um after our poll came out. No coincidence. you got I mean you're stirring people people are talking. Okay, so uh JD Vance says Max Engling is the only choice for Indiana Indiana Secretary of State. I mean this is like such typical political discourse. Oh, Donald Donald Trump endorsed Max England also endorsing the president of the United States endorsed Max which is wild.
Um that's like really interesting that all the way up to the top is interested in this race. But they say um it is like a Trojan horse that uh um it's for that gap. So what is that 60 what percent? It was 68% of Republicans for the other side of that which would be 32% that are Republican by nature but might be on the fence. Yeah. They're like talking to them specifically saying like don't get they want to say don't get I mean JD Vance's words were far-left extremist.
Yeah. I mean, yes, if anyone's watched the ads and everything is like, you know, you're you're too conservative or you're too liberal or [laughter] uh the the one is like they've made very sure I think they've like stopped running this ad cuz I haven't seen it cuz they don't think that he's going to win or they the one against Ballard where it's like liberal Greg Ballard. [laughter] I was like who writes these things which he is a former Republican mayor. Yes, absolutely. But they like wanted to I think they were worried that Greg would pull people from Max. It's really I mean when you get down to it the like science of winning an election is is really interesting.
Yeah. Um and again like you guys are nonpartisan. Like I've had every candidate on here. Yeah. Uh, it's just interesting to see the the machine, I'll call it, at work of like where dollars are going, where advertising dollars are going, how they're working those messaging. I will say for a creative ad, Bo in the wait room.
The first [laughter] I was like, you mentioned that one before. Okay, I talked about that one cuz it's like, dude, I mean, he can just pump some iron. [laughter] Like, come on now. uh it's having the impact he he probably wanted it to have. But like it's really also interesting to see the national attention to this election. Yeah.
Well, I think you know it's an office that Republicans have held for a while. Republicans hold all of our statewide offices right now and have for a long time. They don't want to lose that. They they want to stay in power. They want to keep that. And you know, I think if you look at um the president on down, the president's kind of the deacto like head of the Republican party.
He wants to keep all the seats. You know, he wants to gain more. He doesn't want to give up anything to the Democrats. And it's interesting too to see like all of the things that have nothing to do with the Secretary of State office being like tossed into this election. Sure. Cuz lifting weights has nothing to do with the Secretary of State to break it to you.
Literally nothing. Nothing at all. Right. uh or or like the thing that does I mean I think Max has been pretty staunch on his uh US citizens Indiana like whatever the classification to vote. Yeah, he's been very staunch on that. And I think that was even brought up one.
I have to say Max had one of the best oneliners I think ever in the first um debate that was like Bo and I both went to Ivy's. He went to Harvard and I went to Ivy Tech. And I was like, dang, [laughter] that's kind of a mic drop bar. Like I kind of like that. You know, a little bit of And see, and that's what [clears throat] they're going for in the debates. They want those like clips, you know?
I mean, whoever was on his social team should have like put that everywhere because it was a great oneliner. Um, but it's just interesting that like you talk about all the different things that are getting thrown into here where it's like stuff that is real policy and there's this is not a policy role. It isn't it? Is it I mean because a lot of the policy changes would have to come from state lawmakers passing laws to change those policies, but then it's up to the secretary of state to implement those policies. And sometimes, you know, with the way laws are written, like there is room for interpretation, and it would be the Secretary of State's job to interpret that. It's also, you know, I think um Greg Ballard's campaign, for example, is bringing up a lot of these things of like could the Secretary of State do a better job at just like educating voters about how to vote, who's on your ballot, where to vote, you know, all of those sorts of things.
So you would see, you know, potentially someone coming to that office having initiatives around that that would not require, you know, state lawmaker approval. Very interesting on that cuz you talk about, oh, whatever the percentage of vote was that are 80% or 78% are going to vote for certain, but then there's also a percentage that don't know who the candidates are. And it's like, how about the Secretary of State try to like squash that delta where people are at least informed and know who they are and know who the candidates are that they're going in there, right? Cuz I feel like especially if you're like local, it's like you're talking about your school board or you're talking about this that like and those are people people tend to know even less of. Oh yeah. The closer you get like the lower down your ballot you go, people do not know, which are the easiest people easier to like probably go out and get a cup of coffee with and learn about them.
You know what I'm saying? If you're running for a local representative, um, like your local state rep, probably that school board, whatever those local ones are, just freaking shoot them an email and you could probably grab a cup of coffee and bring a few friends and just chitchat. like the higher you get up like I'm not sure if Max and Bo have time for like an open standing cup of coffee with like a random Broadle resident like me but well you did get them on your podcast so you know but I do think that the that looking into that that brings us to a point and we have to jump down talking about political parties for school boards uh and I do promise that this whole episode isn't all about elections but given the fact that elections are Tuesday it's just I think good for people to know and um and to feel informed formed. Again, whatever you do, I'm not like a you should vote here. I have not given my official endorsement to a political candidate ever.
Um, whatever you do, one, we might have talked about this in the last one. Go out and exercise your right to vote because it's a good thing. Whether you mail in, whether you do whatever you're doing, go out there and do it. Yes. And be informed, you know, like go listen, make your selection. I'm never one that's like, "Oh, you voted this way, you voted that way."
Like whatever. I'm more like, oh, I'm It's cool that you go out and vote. It's not cool if you don't. Yes, there it is. Go out and vote. If you're mailing your ballot in, mail it in early just to be safe, make sure it gets there on time.
If you need to know what's on your ballot, there are like half a dozen places you can go figure that out. You can go to just the secretary of state's website and pull up your sample ballot. You can also find out about candidates on, you know, we'll have um we link out to Mir Indy's voter guide for some of those local ones. Capital Chronicle has voter guides. There are voter guides out there galore that you can find information on your candidates. So, pull up your ballot, do your research, go vote.
Um, I will say the the ones to be informed on are like some of the referendum questions or just like there's one about like treason and prosecuting. Um, did you not see that? This is like the third vote or the third question I think on the ballot this year is about a bail referendum. the bail referendum bail referendum that has to do but it's like right now you can only the judge can remove your bail if it's like murder or treason's and they're saying now they want to expand it to give judges more discretion basically yeah it whether I don't really know what the right or wrong answer is for that all I know was I had to read it about seven times to like even understand it like I was reading this and I'm like okay wait try it with a different punctuation try it with a different pronunciation. Like I I'm a co I have a college degree, you know, like I I feel like I'm pretty okay when it comes to like word comprehension.
And it was very hard to read. And I think that that's almost I don't know if it's intentional, but I think that it's something that like you almost need a Rosetta Stone to the freaking ballot to know to know like what I'm reading here and what this actually means and how this is put into effect. Yeah. And part of that is because like that's the way it was passed in a state law. So it's very like legally speak and and that's why it's not like your everyday conversational tone. No.
And it's like but even like just knowing the comprehension of it of like wait does this mean X or does it mean? Like like the I don't know. I just thought that it's one where if you can prep yourself ahead of time on the bail referendum on your school uh the tax referendums and all the stuff for school systems. Yeah. I think that like don't get caught um trying to like I don't know that being research while you're there. But that being the first time you're seeing it because it's kind of hard to read.
Like it was a couple sentences and I was reading through it and I was just like wow uh I think I know what this means but I'm not really sure. So that was like my heads up for you before you go into the polls is like whatever the bail referendum was your local community there like at least know what you're getting into people and names, right? Um but that does bring us to the new Indiana law that now allows school board candidates uh to list a party affiliation if they so choose. Yep. Uh this is really interesting. So have school boards had political parties?
They they haven't had political parties in the past. Not up until this year. uh first year for it and they were given the option. So if you're running for school board, you didn't have to declare, you know, I'm a Republican or I'm a Democrat, but you had the option to do so if you wanted to. And we saw about 43% of candidates decided to declare a party. And of those, the majority of them declared as Republicans.
Wow. Okay. So still have half of the people not declaring a party, right? Um, now does that mean what does that mean for straight ticket voting? If you're straight ticket voting, you still have to vote separately in the schoolboard races. It would have been Yeah, it would have been that way and every year passed, right?
Cuz they wouldn't have had a party there anyways. And it is still true that like even if you hit straight party, cuz that's the first question that's going to pop up for you, you still have to go through and vote separately for school candidates. And um you guys actually went up and interviewed someone in in Goan because there for the school board go Redhawks uh everyone declared as either a Democrat or Republican. Yeah. So how many different candidates were there? Talk to us about what you guys learned from the Goan school board race.
Goan is really interesting. There are seven candidates running for a total of four seats. All of them have declared either Republican or Democratic party. And that was one of the few examples where we saw like a lot of those head-to-head races because in other places, you know, you're probably going to have people running against each other who neither of them declared a party or people running against each other and one person declared a party and another person didn't. Um, so it's interesting to see there that like, you know, the local parties are are helping them, whether they're giving them um, you know, a list of here's some neighborhoods you should go knock on doors or, you know, um, here's a list of voter phone numbers that you should call or like here's some help in terms of, you know, how to get campaign signs up and and how to how to do some of these things that because traditionally, you know, schoolboard candidates are not people with a lot of political experience.
these are just like your everyday people that are just like a kid school district or you know my grandkid school district or something that was one of the things we heard from the a few of the candidates we talked to is that it's just helpful having um kind of that like structure support. So did you feel like uh from the people you talked to that this is wellreceived like people like it more or like what did you did you talk to community members in goan? That is an interesting question. Do people like it or not? We really didn't. We to we focused on the candidates and the candidate experience.
They like structure. Yeah. Which makes I feel like you could if you were a good person, you know, like you had a good reputation, you had never had any misfortune or wrongdoings, you know, like you were a good person and you just shook, I don't know, a thousand hands in a place like Goan, you know, maybe 5,000 hands. I don't know how much, but if you spend a year just shaking hands and kissing babies and talking to people and like having a stance, you could probably win most rural schoolboard elections. Sure. But that takes a lot of time and effort to to get to those 5,000 people.
A lot of time and effort. Yeah. A ton. But I talked to uh Brandon Sackbun. He won. He's the mayor of Teraho.
Really young guy that did it. And he just said that was the key. Just go out there and shake hands and just talk to people. let them see you face to face. And I mean, you're seeing that too, even at the Secretary of State level, like Max is in in neighborhoods doing stuff. Bose's down at the IU tailgate, like going out and about through there.
And it's like, but having the structure and knowing like where the, you know, there's probably zip codes or there's probably neighborhoods that are full of active voting participants and like change makers. Yeah. And knowing like is that a generally more conservative neighborhood or is it generally a more liberal neighborhood? like are those people voting in Democratic primaries, Republican primaries, what what does that makeup look like? Um, you know, and I think for some voters it could be really helpful. You know, it gives them kind of this like baseline of okay, these are generally things that this person stands for, but on the flip side of it, it just kind of makes it um, you know, as we've seen in the Secretary of State's race or like any of these other bigger races, you make it more partisan and that just like leads to more like biting.
And you know, the example in our story is uh one of the candidates said he was a Republican and someone shut the door in his face and like didn't want to talk to him anymore versus if he was not running with a political party, would they have heard him out and listen to, you know, some of the things he had to say? Yeah. And what are like the Oh, what are like the pieces on the agenda, the like the legislation I'm going to say, that school boards are between? like what are like for a Republican candidate versus a Democratic candidate in Gan like what are they what kind of things are they having to run for what's their platform? Sure. Uh I think there's a few things uh with school boards that you think about.
Um one is you know like the district budget for example they're going to be handling that. And so you might look at someone who is running as a Republican and think okay they're going to be fiscally conservative versus maybe the Democrat isn't going to be or have different spending priorities. Um, these are also people who would, you know, be in charge of hiring or firing your superintendent, for example. Uh, the other thing we've seen happen a lot with school boards, and this gets into like the really partisan side of it, is all the book banning discussions that have happened across I mean the whole country, but in Indiana as well. Um, and that was a big issue that came up in the Goan schoolboard race in 2022 in terms of, you know, fighting back and forth about um, is issues like that and and what books should be allowed and what books should not. Again, maybe I'm just not in the uh, in the know enough, but like that seems very um, I just didn't know that that was still like discussions that we're having.
Like there's just this is interesting because like we've lived in a time where uh intel like like knowledge and information is just so readily available that like I'm thinking of like how are you keeping kids off of like the craziest darkest sites on the internet [laughter] and then there's like oh yeah there's but then book b or like you know books and and information that way. It's like I don't know very many kids that are like diehard book fans you know. It's like if you scroll like three swipes in their Tik Tok algorithm, it's probably way I don't know. That's just like a piece that's really interesting. But the books also like, you know, get into the other issues we've seen with schools like supporting or not supporting LGBTQ students, um how we talk about race, how we teach race. Um but again, also to your point, they go a few swipes on TikTok and they will see plenty of things on those topics too.
So, dude, it's like you stare for a second too long and your algorithm just like takes a turn and you're like, "What in the world am I looking at right now? This is crazy." Okay, so those kind of things. All right. Um, so did the candidates seem to think like how did it end up that this uh race in Goan everyone declared? Like did they say why they had they felt like they had to declare?
It kind of seems like somebody declared and then other people were like, "Well, if that person, like if somebody's going to declare, then I'm going to declare, you know, and it just kind of became this like ripple effect." Um, and I also think because of uh all the drama around the 2022 race, there were more people like paying attention in general to the Gan School Board race and like, okay, who's going to run this year? Who could we support? Um, cuz I think there's a lot there's several open seats that people are vying for. And so that also makes a difference when you don't have an incumbent running. Mark your calendars for Wednesday, November 11th at 6:30 to be downtown with me cuz I'm going to the IU Indie men's basketball game inside the brand new James T.
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The second one more interesting to talk. I mean, more I I'm intrigued by it. I feel like it has a little bit of optimism in it. The first one is around surveillance. Uhhuh. I mean, it's like I think I know where you're going.
If you've if you've uh if you've I don't [clears throat] again swiped 10 swipes on TikTok or whatever it is recently like the biggest thing for the last couple months has been flat cameras. Uhhuh. just like the surveillance state and learning how how tapped in the people who have access to Flock have been to people's lives. Yeah, Flock. I feel like I don't go hardly maybe a couple days without seeing something new about Flock cameras in the state of Indiana. Whether that's, you know, something with police officers misusing it, whether that's something with a city or town deciding they no longer want to continue their flock contract, whether that's community members fighting against the flock camera contract because they found out about it.
Um, and actually, I should back up a little bit for those who maybe don't know what flock cameras are. Um because I will say I started noticing them more after we did reporting on it and I I've seen one on my drive home and I'm like, "Oh, hey, that's what that is." Um there are these cameras that um are put up around communities and can track vehicles as they go by. And so law enforcement really likes this tool because it allows them to very quickly track, you know, a car's trajectory from point A to point B and like where they were and where they were going and it helps them solve crimes and, you know, some of the law enforcement officers who have used this tool are able to point to certain crimes that they were able to solve and solve faster and they say, you know, we wouldn't have been able to do this if not for these cameras. So, they see a a big benefit to it, but other people have concerns that, you know, you're just driving down the road and that's almost like an invasion of of privacy is what people argue.
Like, you shouldn't be just like videoing me driving by. Yeah. Uh, and I mean, people have there's like vigilante def flockers and like all of these things across the I mean, across the country, people are like uh kind of big brothery. That's kind of been like a lot of the public sentiment I believe. And there's two sides, right? Like one, you can solve um crimes and you know, things like that.
You can track cars going through there that can be super useful for things like I know Amber alerts and just like all sorts of um vehicle identification that way. On the other side, then there's been used on uh in in ways that's not so not for the betterment of society. Yeah. Um, and there's been tons of stories about people that have login that are able to keep tabs on people that they probably shouldn't be. Yes. Um, what did you guys find out as you dove in across the state?
I know particularly you guys looked at Green County. Yeah. Yeah. So, in Green County, it was an example where the prosecutor wanted to bring flock cameras to the area, saw the benefits of it, but he sent an email to um other local officials saying, "Hey, I want to have this like private meeting because I don't want the general public to know, you know, and this is his words, like all the capabilities of the the flock cameras." Um, it ended up becoming public anyways. The community found out.
Uh they did approve them in Green County. Uh but it's still kind of this fight uh ongoing because the Linton mayor, which Linton is in Green County, uh does not want black cameras. And you know, he's got control over it within Linton boundaries, Linton right ofway and in those streets, but uh there are other state roads, state highways, county highways, uh that he cannot control and and that's where the flock cameras are. But it was a a little bit of a, you know, dramatic situation with a a prosecutor saying, you know, I don't want to talk about this in in public because I don't want everybody to know. Which which gets at the whole issue that that we're talking about. Yeah.
Well, I have one that's interesting similar to that, too. It does seem like there's a battle between prosecutors and council people or like the the governing bodies. So, Marshall County, which is where I'm from, northern Indiana, one of the commissioners, uh, basically, I think they had a meeting where it was voted on that he was going to go out and they have six flat cameras in Marshall County. And there was a meeting where I believe he one of the guys said that he was going to go out there and cover up all the cameras cuz they voted that they didn't want them. Yeah. And they were like, you know what, the city council voted 4 to three on Monday evening to cut funding for all six cameras.
And I believe that means they're like, "Okay, cool. We we want these stopped today." The prosecutor then sends the board a cease and desist letter. He argues that the decision is his because he holds a contract with Flock. So, he's saying uh he said that uh he could ask a jud a judge to stop the county from seizing someone else's property. And there's like a whole battle between the county council and the prosecutor's office.
I I totally believe it. I saw I saw it trending on Facebook. Yeah. And it was like, "Hey, do not go out there and start covering up the cameras. We're under a contract with Flock, blah blah blah blah blah." I mean, I mean, yeah, you probably shouldn't do that, but [laughter] that's those are the fights that are happening all over of like, you know, some people really see the benefits and some people really do not want them.
And those two opinions are just clashing because I mean, and it's not that is not a partisan issue. you know, we've been talking a lot about the political parties and all that. This is not a partisan issue whatsoever. Um, and it's, you know, like you're saying, some local officials are for it and and some are not. No, what's interesting too in that one is so people are worried about um like your constitutional rights of like surveillance, right? And then in this he's saying that with the government seizing this property that that brings into account the fourth amendment that protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government.
And he's saying by the government going out there and covering up and taking their cameras. Yeah. That that's also uh an interesting violation of his Fourth Amendment rights. So like I'm I'm on edge. We got to watch this. I want to know what's going to happen.
Marshall County, but I do know people are very anti surveillance state like just from the sentiment like hey I don't really want people watching me u and and having the login willy-nilly. Yeah. Well, and it happens you know we we have this in our lives everywhere right? I mean, from like the cookies that are tracking you on the your internet browser, from your phones, you know, how many times like do you have conversations with people and then like an hour later you're getting an ad for it on your phone, whatever it is. And like I I joke with my friends all the time like, "Well, I'll get ad for ad for it later. Don't worry."
Absolutely. No. And it's like we kind of joke about it that way where it's like if I said blue jeans, blue jeans, blue jeans, then [laughter] all of a sudden Mugsy Jeans is going to know that I'm looking for blue jeans. Exactly. And you're like, haha. But then it's like, wait, if they're doing that with your phone, what else are they doing that with?
Yeah. And so I think this is just like another example. Like I don't know that anyone's super comfortable with like any of it. Yeah. [laughter] But this is another one that's like really out there and people are not happy about it right now. Yeah.
Um, another thing that's happening across rural Indiana is the shortage of firefighters in rural Indiana. talk to me about what you guys were able to figure out about volunteer fire departments and what's going on across the state. Yeah, so we talked to the Daleville uh fire department which has one full-time employee. Otherwise, it is run by volunteers, just one dude uh running things. Um there's six part-time people as well, but otherwise it's all staffed by volunteers. And this is not uncommon in rural parts of the state.
they rely on these like volunteers to to help. And it's been this way for a very long time. But, you know, long ago it used to just be that, you know, farmers or people who could like quickly leave, you know, they weren't at like an office job working 9 to5, right? So, if like a fire broke out, they could like just head on out and go go deal with it. That's not the case anymore. And so they're struggling to find volunteers because they're struggling to find people who like can just like take a shift and be available to help if something happens.
And so they're trying a lot of different things to to recruit uh more people out there. Um and trying different things to just get more funding to to actually just pay more people. Yeah. Two things. One, my dad was a volunteer firefighter or a volunteer e uh EMS driver. Okay.
Growing up and there's an EMS shortage, too. We get that. So he would work third shift and then while he was sleeping during the day while I was at school he would be on call. He did that for a number of years. His like a this is the old school. He had a radio like legit whatever and it would be like there would be a tone and if the tone went off he'd like put it up to his ear like oh I got to go and he would like zip out of the house over to there get in the ambulance drive away.
Then also on our staff Will who edits all of our short form social vertical video he's a volunteer firefighter at New Whitland. Okay. Yeah. And so that's the thing like he goes down there and stays on station for I don't know he just started so he's still figuring out like what his shifts look like but doing that a few times a month and and he it's it's interesting cuz you have to just have a passion and a heart for service. You're not making a million dollars as a volunteer firefighter here but you get the opportunity to go and make an impact in people's lives. It's in Daleville they get paid5 to $20 per call depending on how many people show up.
Five to $20. Yep. I mean, yeah. You're definitely not doing that for the money. Yeah. Like, you know, you might show up and to tragedy.
Yeah. And it's uh they have to work eight six-hour shifts per month and must be at the station unless they live within a mile and a half, which in a rural area, I'm guessing not that many people live within a mile and a half. Yeah. So that was like for uh for Bourbon, my hometown. It was like the if you lived in the town, the town you're all within like a mile, so you're good. You can get there really quickly, but if you're not, you slept at the station.
Yep. Which is is interesting. Are there programs or things that people are doing? Like how are they what are they doing to recruit more people to this? Yeah, so they've started kind of having these uh various events kind of just to like promote the fire station, get people maybe interested in it. So that's part of it.
They are also working with uh the Daleville school system to allow high school students to get credits for some of these EMT courses. They've got five teenage cadetses in training right now. So, you know, that's that's promising for recruitment. Um [laughter] [gasps] but, you know, it's things like they did a a pork chop dinner, they're doing an Easter egg hunt, uh they've got a free Halloween chili supper, you know, just these like community things, right? um to get people out there and I don't totally see the translation from chili supper to new recruits, but potentially I mean whatever it takes to get to get people, you know, talking about the the fire station. Um this is it.
And I feel like the best time to do it, you know, being a firefighter is never cooler than when you're like a kid. You're like, "Oh yeah, I want to grow up to be like a garbage man." And then it turns to like trash guy. Uh or sorry, garbage guy to fireman. Um, and so getting them in there and I think this this muscle of service, like building that in of, hey, you're not doing this for the money. You're doing this because it's a good thing to do and volunteering in your community helps make our community strong.
Yeah. Like that's the piece that it's like reinforcing that. It's like I think that I don't know. I don't know if it's six shifts uh or no, eight six hour shifts. Eight six hour shifts per month. Eight six hour shifts per month.
you're probably pulling, I don't know, a couple hundred bucks. I I remember it was always like he would get like a check for like a thousand bucks at the end of the year and that would be like our Christmas money. You're working all year long, but you're benefiting your community and you're going to make a little bit of money. Um, so I I'm curious to see how these small rural communities do recruiting new people to get involved with their stations. Yeah, I think it might help too if like you know you're there and you see another 18-year-old or whatever and you're like, "Oh, okay." Like you start to see yourself in it more.
Um, continuing down the path, I want to talk about um your dedicated section to women and girls and what you guys are doing and what you're seeing across the state of Indiana and how we can, you know, better support the the women and girls in our lives across the Hooser State. Yeah. Uh well, exciting news is that we've hired a new women and girls reporter, Ely Perry. She just started with us. So, um shout out to her. You'll start seeing more of her stories on our website.
Um, can you talk to me through why for people out there just why this is important and why you need a dedicated like I would say if you look at a traditional newspaper it's usually oh my gosh like government sports feature news like there's not usually a section that would say women and girls right exactly though exact that is exactly why we wanted to do it because women and girls make up half the population in this state and uh deserve to have some attention on them. And it goes back to, you know, I kind of feel like a a broken record, but it goes back to like we try to fill news gaps. That was a clear news gap that we had in the state, like someone really dedicated to um not just focusing on the issues, but like also sharing uplifting stories of like women and girls doing like really cool things around the state. So, we hope to to do a little bit of both with this. Yeah, I like that. I mean, I think that being intentional, I mean, just as someone Okay, so we've had 350 podcast guests and that had to be something I mean, somewhere in the middle there where I was like, you know, um, there are cool stories that are outside of my immediate circle and like my immediate circle that I would get introduced to, it's just a lot of white dudes.
Like that's just like and it was like call call a spade a spade. like I'm just in those circles and it's really easy for me to pluck a guest that has a really interesting story that looks like me, thinks like me, goes to the same restaurants, does the same, you know, the same stuff that I do and somewhere in the middle there, you know, maybe you you do a 100 episodes and you're like, "Okay, well, are there interesting stories from different communities um and different people that maybe don't think or act like me and have a different perspective of Indiana?" And I think that's really cool. I think that is a place to tell those stories intentionally. Um, and so I'm really excited to see like have there been any early findings? Where are we at?
Yeah. So, a couple stories we've done recently, these were actually done by a freelancer, but really great work. Um, one on uh the traditional housing gap, transitional housing gap, sorry, excuse me. Um, for women. And so this is housing. Um, this is not like a homeless shelter, but this is like a woman's getting out of a domestic violence situation or they're coming out of like a substance use program.
And so it's something to like get them from point A to point B in that like interim time, right? And we just do not have very many uh beds available for something like this. So, if you look at all across the state in terms of like what we have um for emergency shelters, for for homeless individuals, um you know, there's a few different other categories, but right, you think about like all these types of housing we'd provide for someone who doesn't have stable housing. We have over a little over 9,000 beds. Of those, only about 840 are for this transitional housing type of thing. So, it's not very many.
And we talked to people who run programs in Indianapolis, uh, Columbus, Evansville, so kind of all around the state. And the one, um, Dove Recovery House, for example, they have three locations. They serve 150 women every year. They have a wait list of over 600 people waiting for beds at one of their three locations. Um, so that's just like a huge So then where are those 600 individuals at? Uh, probably in Yeah.
In in situations they shouldn't be. Uh, you know, whether that's they're at a a shelter that's not really providing the services they need or whether they're staying in a bad situation that they're trying to get out of. Um, yeah, it's it's not good. Yeah. Wow. So, this was one.
So talking about transitional housing. Um was there another Oh yes, yes. Yes. So this is the skilled trades gender gap. Yes. Which this is super interesting.
So these are like skilled trades you would think of. Um I I would say like and I think that people in that in that profession more bluecollar. Yeah. You know skilled trades. This like electrician, plumbers, a lot of labor union type work. Is that also skilled trades?
Yep. Yeah, we had someone on that talked about how to uh get certified to operate a crane. Yeah. Skilled trade. Talk to me about what we're seeing with getting females plugged into skilled trade careers. Yeah.
So, we did a story kind of looking at a few different programs that are trying to like expose uh younger girls to some of these careers and cuz you know what they end up finding is like some girls just never thought that was an option for them. like no one no one ever handed them a drill, you know, and said, "Hey, let me teach you how to use this." [laughter and gasps] Um, and so they're seeing like, you know, if we expose more girls to this at a younger age, then it makes them more interested in it. And, you know, I there's a um a need for more people in some of these professions overall. And where I think some people who lead these programs are seeing an opportunity is like there's not very women in these roles, period. And so can women help fill this gap that we already have?
Yeah. And there's like a huge So I just looked it up. The top let's say five skilled trades careers in Indiana. Electricians, plumbers and pipe fitters, HVAC technicians and installers, uh industrial and milright mechanics, and then carpenters, construction, the whole piece there. And there's like a gap of of those just in general, you know, like there's not enough there's not enough electricians to go around. I mean, turns out we use a lot of electricity these days.
Who would have thought? Um, and so instead of continuing to try to get, you know, whatever the the interest of male, you know, like high school kids, high school boys involved in it. They're like, well, what if we went from basically I don't know what the number is, but there's not very many to like, you know, increase that 5% on the female side to help fill this gap. Right. Yeah. Exactly.
And so, you know, we uh there's a program um in Madison County that's exposing seventh graders to some of these professions. In Indianapolis, there's a girls construction camp that's exposing girls to these different things. Um highly recommend. Uh you know, I can sit here and talk about it, but go look at the story and look at the photos cuz it's just so cool to see like a young girl like building something using one of these tools. like I just I love like looking through it and and seeing that cuz you just don't normally see it. Um you know, and in Evansville there's a group that takes uh middle schoolers on field trips to local unions.
Uh and there's also a summer camp there uh for high schoolers. So there's there's programs that are really um trying to move the needle on it and just, you know, show them what's out there. Yeah, absolutely. I think that is cool. And I think that again the access to information should be easy. You know, if you like want to go explore what it's like to be a plumber, whatever you know, whatever your skill level is, whatever your parents have done, like that should be readily available to anyone in Indiana.
Yeah. Absolutely. Final story we want to cover is an interesting one. Um I love this story. This story is super interesting and it is the Amish voting story. So officials up in Elcart County are actively pushing Amish community members to cast ballots.
And for anyone that doesn't know, Elcart is home to Napony. It's home to like I mean at the time this was like a place that we went to on field trips, Amish acres. It's home to oh gosh, Mberry. Just a prevalent amount of Amish people are in this part of the state. Yeah. Talk to me about what you guys figured out and why this could be a really big swing for elections in 2026.
Yeah. Uh so, and again, just to like put numbers to what you're saying, more than 68,000 Amish people live in Indiana. And the biggest majority of those, like you were saying, Elcart County and Lraange County, and that's about about 25,500 in Elcart County. And Lraange County, half of the 41,000 residents are Amish. So like 20. Yeah.
So 20 and 25. So the largest communities are in Lraange and Elcart. Yep. Uh Elcart County is that Elcart County is 25,500 and Lrange is like 20,000. Yep. That is a lot.
I mean again we talked about it. Uh Goian in Elcart. Yeah. If you went out and just shook, you know, 10,000 or a thousand hands or whatever, you can win some of these elections. talk about getting 500 or a thousand Amish individuals to go vote for you. Well, and that's uh one of the the best quotes I think in this story was from the the Graange County uh commissioner Terry Martin who said, you know, I always tell the Amish people out here, if you ever decided to go vote, like you would run this community, you would run this county because there's so many of you and if you know you tell your congregation to go vote, they're all going to go vote.
So, now this is interesting. Did you dive into uh cuz I don't even know what the like where people are like on the level of like taxes. Sure. You know what [laughter] I'm like where it's like oh man you know like are they I I don't know growing up there were Amish people all over like I had Amish kids that went to school with me till I was in eighth grade and then a few that came on to high school and then they ended up leaving the church. Great. Like it's a wild thing that I didn't realize not everyone was familiar with.
Yeah. Like we had probably I mean in second grade we probably had 10 Amish kids in our class of 70. Oh wow. Yeah. And then by the time we got to 8th grade we had three left. Yeah.
And then they slowly became more and more English as the the our Amish counterparts called us. But it's interesting now like I don't know they I think they have to like register buggies like with the DMV which I don't know if they used to have to do like there is this whole thing of like they you could run a community but how so how plugged into the community are plugged in not not plugged in not uh yeah it's it's definitely I think harder for them to kind of like live this separate life is like what I think you're kind of getting at like it's it we're too intertwined now and and and too much going on but Um, and I think that's part of the reason why you're starting to see more Amish people interested in voting or open-minded to voting. So, I guess we should note too, the Amish traditionally do not vote. It is not um part of their beliefs to to do that. Their beliefs are we'll just pray for whatever we want to have happen, right?
Um and so but what we saw in 2020 with COVID, you had some of the various um shutdowns, right, including telling people that they couldn't go to church or they couldn't have so many people in their churches at any given time. That really upset some people in the Amish community. And it suddenly was like, oh, the government is now telling us whether or not we can meet. like we don't we feel like that's taking away from our religious freedom. And that kind of like made people change their minds a little bit in terms of okay, should we should we actually go vote and and have a say in this because look at how this policy is impacting us. Um and so yeah, and now we've got a couple uh officials um up in Elcart and Lraange counties that are are talking to some of these congregations and saying, you know, you should let your your people vote.
uh there there is a value in it which is interesting. You even cite uh the message that Republicans used to convince Amish to vote in the swing state of Pennsylvania in the 2024 election. Um you talk about it. Yeah. Like in a place like um let's say Elcart County, they talk about or no Lraange County, they talk about going from 0% to around 10% voting roughly. Those are like rough estimates, but it's like let's say that's 2,000 new votes.
Like I don't know what voter turnout in Lraange County is, but if you had 2,000 new votes all going, if they all went one way, like that's could be decisive. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's back to our our whole uh pitch to everybody of please go vote. Every vote counts. Every vote matters.
Uh you know, some races are decided by just a handful of votes. You don't even need 2,000 sometimes. I I would love to see someone okay on the campaign trail like at goan maybe not school board but whatever it would be you're running for commissioner of Elcart County I want to see like the meta glasses of like you if you want to get in front of uh the community you probably have to go to like a oh this would be it you go to like the Monday night Amish barn basketball game my friends go there's like a group of people up in northern Indiana and it's like half people I went to high school with and half Amish and they just get together and run fullc court 5v5 on Monday nights and it's like if you were the commissioner you were out there you like hit a three and you're like yeah vote for me for commissioner like that would be campaigning u or like going to church I don't know if they would allow that but that would be really interesting to see how you are cuz your your ads aren't going to hit them.
Nope. You know like your signs Yeah. but it's like how are you getting out in front of them? You got to go shake hands. Mhm. You got to go to Amish Barn Basketball Night on Mondays.
That's a real thing. Go check it out. Marshall County. They're playing they're playing basketball on Monday nights. Um, wow. That's really, really interesting.
Um, I mean, as we round out the episode, I feel like we've talked through a bunch of things. Is there anything that's sticking out to you? Any final things that the the state of Indiana needs to know leading into the election? Uh, I think it just goes back to what we were talking about earlier. you know, make sure you look up your ballot. Make sure you're prepared when you go in to vote.
Please actually go vote. Uh even, you know, my my pitch to everybody is always I hear a lot like, "Well, I don't I don't like the candidates." Like, period. They don't like any of the candidates. And I'm like, "Well, somebody's going to win whether you like it or not." So, you should go pick someone and have a say in it because you're you're not going to stop one of them from winning.
Oh, I have a really good one. Um, votein time. org. Have you heard of this? No. Uh, okay.
So, I got approached by um a friend. His name's Roger. Roger and uh this organization put together voteintime. org. Nonpartisan, but it talks about wait times and voting centers. Totally free.
You go on there, you put in your website or you put in your zip code and it'll show you uh places that you can vote and the current wait time there. So that you know on election day you can go there and you know it tells you what to bring, you can look at your ballot like this whole I mean digital experience to see wait times which I thought was pretty cool. Yeah, that's great. So having like things like that where like right now okay at the we we're logged in or I'm logged in. I got another thing. At the Indianapolis Public Library at the Fort Ben branch, they say roughly a 46-minute wait.
At the Indianapolis Public Library at the Pike Branch, roughly a 33m minute wait. The Perry Township Government Center has an hour wait right now. That's surprising, but I mean, I'm happy to see it. That means people are voting. Yeah. Well, and I bet they're like probably pretty like under like there's probably not a lot of uh stuff going on right now, you know?
Like there's probably not like they're not full force, right? you assume, right? But people are getting out early. Um, so keep your eyes on that. It's voting time. org.
And, um, I thought that was super cool to see. Uh, I people are all about like timing and schedules and getting there. And no, people have never been more out on lines than they are today. So, there you go. Um, well, hey, if people want to learn more about uh, Freeress Indiana News, if they want to follow you guys' work, how can they do that? fpinw.
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