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He brings a Midwest perspective to the world of reality TV. Now, he's splitting time between Los Angeles and Indianapolis and he's going to talk a little bit about I mean obviously in the news today, The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, what's going on? We know we had a contestant from Caramel that was supposed to be on the show like a lot of craziness happened there. I also want to learn about being a creative just in the, you know, the world of 2026. What you're doing. I know you have a a fun project and a fun character, let's say, that uh is a huge part of your identity that's, you know, a famous movie star and so I'm excited to dive into, you know, all things Bachelor Bachelorette and what you're doing with Alan the Dog.
Sweet. Well, thank you for having me, Date. I appreciate it. Yeah, man. I'm I'm excited to to chat through this one. I mean, when I first met you, we were having some coffee and we were, you know, chatting and you were like, "Yeah."
Then I moved out to LA and ended up getting a role like starting literally like the bottom of the totem pole with ABC's The Bachelor. That's right. That's right. Yeah. So I I went to film school out in LA. That's what brought me out there.
And I remember saying the words, "I will never work in reality television." And uh then 16 years later um you did 16 years 16 years on The Bachelor and a couple years before that on a couple random reality TV shows, one called Tattoo Highway. That's where I met a guy who was working for the Bachelor and kind of invited me over to meet his boss and that's how I interviewed and ended up starting my career there. How far in the journey, like how many seasons of the Bachelor had there been when you joined up? So, uh, good question. I joined on the fifth season of The Bachelorette.
Okay. I think they're on 19 now, something like that. Who was who was the first season? Jillian Harris. Uh, she was a Canadian uh, woman and uh, yeah, she was the first Bachelorette that I'd worked on. I didn't know anything about the show.
at all. Okay. And I remember I was I was I started as a logger, which is uh somebody who just kind of watches footage and takes notes just so the footage is searchable. Yeah. You were like the old school transcriber basically. Exactly.
And Yeah. Exactly. Just transcribing what's happening on the screen. So like you'd be you because there there are all cameras that are always running pretty much. I mean Yeah. There's something running all the time, but there's tons of footage.
Yeah. And if there's a moment someone remembers that they want to look at and it's, you know, it's hard to find. So that the loggers help a search system just to kind of like look for something. Wow. So, uh, yeah, I started uh started as a logger just kind of watching footage. And so, yeah.
How many hours did you just stare at like people chatting in a living room? Oh, you know, forever. I mean, that was your whole shift. That's crazy. Yeah. And it was Yeah, it was just uh a little mind-numbing, but you just kind of sit there and, you know, sort of light log what's happening.
You're not really transcribing word for word or anything like that, but yeah, people hang out by the pool, they're talking about this, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah. And then you get that's all like because the industry you have to just get some experience. You kind of like start somewhere. You know, a lot of people whether it be like in the business side where you start in the mail room as an agent. Like you're starting as a logger and you just start working your way up.
And obviously, you know, you go to film school, you have like the qualifications to edit or produce or do all these things, but like I think that's just part of it is like kind of paying your dues and working your way up. What does the journey from logger to editor and producer look like? You know, when I went out to LA, I was thinking I'm going to make a million dollars a screenplay. I mean, that was my mindset. I remember what I was thinking at the time, but that's the beauty of youth. Hubris.
Absolutely. And you know, if you're not, it's kind of a crazy thing to pursue, but uh if you didn't have that, you wouldn't pursue it. So, I'm glad I went out there for that. But uh but yeah, so I was a logger and I'm just at that moment at that time still now I guess but I was an extremely fast typer. So that just got me a little bit of attention. I was just burning through tapes very quickly.
An extremely fast typer. How many words per minute? I don't know. Enough to turn heads though. Yes. Do you remember those like games where it would be like how fast can you type these words?
Like yeah computer games sort of but like Tetris. I was really good at Tetris. Yeah, I just uh yeah, just really fast typer and I got six promotions in two years. Oh, so every six months I got a promotion and then you know that got me through, you know, logger, junior story producer, story producer. What is a story producer? So story producer is someone who works in post-production.
So there's basically two main factions of any reality TV show. This is uh no secret. Uh there's the people in the field who shoot the show, you know, cameramen, uh you know, audio people who are actually shooting the show and then there's post-prouction who edits and puts the show together. Now, sometimes on some shows, um the field is the same team as the post. They shoot it, then go into post-production, but the Bachelor was so big, the show's still being shot while episodes are being edited. So, they need two teams working together.
So, um, so yeah, so you know, I was in postp production working with editors. Um, I did spend some time out in the field. We can get into that later, but, uh, yeah, I was mostly on the on the post-production side. Okay. So, most like would you ever meet the actual people that were on it? I would not very often.
The most glamorous job on The Bachelor for sure is a cast producer. The people who actually work with the cast and interview [laughter] them, that kind of thing. How does the casting process for the Bachelor or Bachelor at work? I think a lot of people send in tapes. There's definitely something online. I know we had a full casting department who, you know, would go around to cities and have casting functions and eventually people are watching tapes and, you know, picking who's going to be on the show.
And sometimes it's not completely set till like right before, you know, go time, you know, but uh yeah, but a lot of cast comes through. 25 30 people a season. That's a lot of people. Yeah. And it's like I mean on the first episode you cut like how many people like down to seven or seven seven or eight you know something like that. Yeah.
Which is wild. And I mean it's wild for you to also say like I'm never working reality TV and then to stay there for 16 plus years. Yeah. I know. Uh but you know I never stopped writing. So I was always writing scripts.
Always had a script. I was producing my own content on the side. And I'll tell you one great merger of the two pursuits was before working in reality TV. I didn't really know any cameramen. You know, I didn't know any cinematographers. You know, maybe knew one, didn't know many audio people, but working for the Bachelor, I met, you know, suddenly I knew 25 audio people and I knew 25 cameramen.
And a lot of those people, uh, like me, um, in love their work and love their job, but have other creative aspirations. Is it kind of like that all through the city? Like everyone is trying to like they're doing something whether it's like the Starbucks barista to like the person holding the camera but everyone's like in their back everyone knows that they're all working towards a bigger goal 100%. You know when I went to film school even people who are working in the industry are not necessarily doing the job that is their dream job. You know how many people are working like for the office or some great comedy that everyone loves and that you personally love. Um not many.
But even the people that are working on those, it's like, but is there do they want to be the Michael Scott? Do they want to be Steve Carell? Oh, yeah. You mean like the actor? Yeah. Yeah.
You know what I'm saying? Like it's like you might be, you know, so good at working the camera or post-production or whatever it is. But a lot of people are like, "Oh, I but I want to be in front of the camera or I want to be like Scorsese and like write the best scripts or like do whatever it is, you know?" Yeah. I think uh Hollywood is full of a lot of sort of unhappy, unsatisfied people because you always want more, you know, even if you're like on a big show and then you're not anymore, you know, you're like you feel like you're lost. So yeah, I think uh but the big dichconomy at film school we learned about is just get a job in the industry.
That's step step one. Like not being the barista at Starbucks, right? Well, yeah. Exactly. You know, do an entry- level job, whatever it is. Then you meet people, you get to know people.
But the the idea was if you have a job in the industry then you've got your passion projects on the side and your passion project may not be the thing that makes you a living but if you're making a living and and you you meet all these people then maybe you can you do your passion stuff on the on the side. So were you still doing like you said you were still writing like what kind of things were you writing while also working for the Bachelor? I was writing scripts you know I was represented by a literary agent for a while and then eventually she went to jail. Um, yeah. It's hilarious. Not for very long.
Just a brief stint. Yeah, I think it was like 3 months, but that's I don't know if I could do three months. Did Does she still rep you? No. Oh, she got out of the business after that. I think she was embezzling money from clients.
So, uh, that that killed it. You can't do that. And you can't go back after that. No, you kind of you ruin your reputation there. You can trust me now. Yes.
Now I've learned my lesson. Like they Google your name and you're like, "Oh, right. I don't know about all that." But yeah. Yeah. writing scripts, trying to get them sold sold.
And then finally, I was like, you know, and I I was getting meetings at studios, which is not that hard to do. And it just took me a long time to realize I'm not meeting with people who can say yes. And I go back far enough that like cameras were just getting good where you could make something with a decent camera. And now, of course, I've got one in my pocket with an iPhone. But um so eventually I started making my own stuff. I was like, why am I waiting around for people to come in and say, okay, you're a creator, you're a filmmaker, you're a comedian, whatever it is you want to do, you can become that yourself to some degree at least, you can start making art.
So yeah, I started making stuff and uh but when I was on the Bachelor, you know, again, I'm meeting all these editors is before I became an editor. But um I met a guy there uh named Barry Murphy and I had written this short film called Allen the Dog about Allan interviewing a new dog walker and you know clearly kind of having a crush on her and asking her all these ridiculous questions. And um I was planning on turning that into a movie and I just started writing the movie script and he was like I love this short film. like I gave him the script and he was like I want to shoot this and I was like and I want to let you. So yeah he came out we shot that but again you know it was through the Bachelor that I met him was in this community and then this just at some point the storytelling techniques entertainment stuff that you learn being on a hit TV show uh was helping my creative pursuits outside and vice versa.
So at some point, you know, eight, seven uh years in, I started to feel like, oh man, you know, these two things are helping each other. And it it felt right. Yeah. So yeah, but you know, hey, that said, if somebody told me, "No, I will not take this job. I'm only going to settle for the dream job." You know, it's hard to argue against that, too, especially if you get there.
Can't argue with results. But uh yeah, I've always kind of had that sort of sort of uh dual pursuit. Well, I want to talk about Alen the Dog a little bit, and then I want to, you know, get into the ins and outs of The Bachelor. What happened with that first short film that that was filmed? So, we made that short film, loved it, you know, um it was in a couple film festivals and um and I started, you know, working with the script with Barry. I wrote the script, but he was co-story.
We were worked very closely uh together on developing the story. Went through technically 27 drafts, but a draft could be just punching up one character, you know what I mean? So it wasn't like huge huge changes. But we put our time in to that script. Came up with something really liked, raised the money and made the film. And that was the best time of my life.
You know, making that movie was just a total blast. Showing up with the puppet and having everyone do the cameras and stuff around me versus me kind of trying to do everything myself. We had a crew. We had an amazing cinematographer named Joe Han. The movie looks like a million-dollar movie. It wasn't, but it just looks beautiful.
And we're really proud of it, man. We're super proud of that movie, you know? Um, so yeah, that was that was that was awesome. And like, where does a movie like that live? So, right now it's on Apple. Uh, it's free on Tuby with ads, of course.
Uh, it's on Prime, Fandango. Now, you can find it on satellite. Did it end up getting sold? Yeah, we so we sold the domestic rights to a company called Freestyle Digital Media. That's Byron Allen's company and they're the ones who kind of put it out on these platforms. And then we had a separate um international agent who got us a deal in Russia.
So there's actually uh it there's this great trailer of Allen the dog with Russian voices and they're doing Allen, you know, they're doing my voice. I I voice the uh puppet of Allen and they're doing all the incantations of his voice but in Russian. It's hilarious. And it's also Yeah, it's great. and also parts of Latin America and Taiwan. Now, those deals weren't super lucrative, but I've got this great Allen the dog poster in Russian in my office and you know, hey, Allan went international, so what a great sort of uh Well, I mean, anytime you talk about getting something you created onto Apple TV.
Yeah. Like that's cool. Yeah. Well, we're it's the thing I'm most proud of for sure. Um so, uh yeah, it's been uh it's been real fun. Yeah.
How does the process of like selling your rights, how does that work? So, we had a producer, you know, Barry and I were firsttime filmmakers, uh, at that level. And so, we had a producer named Warner Davis who was way, you know, that's what he does for a living. He makes sort of independent movies, uh, mostly horror movies because those tend to make more money on the independent level and independent comedies tend to not make a lot of money. Uh but he wanted to do a comedy just to sort of add it to his repertoire of films. But uh but you know he you know when we had got a deal in front of us from Freestyle he was like this is you know this is a an appropriate deal so take it and we did.
Uh but he was the one who was shopping it around you know so we had that guy on the team who kind of did that for us. And is it like uh is it similar to like Taylor Swift where it's like you know your IP your master like how does that part work? It's exactly like Taylor Swift. Yeah. Just kidding. No, I don't know.
What do you mean? like where you know you sign a deal or you sell the rights and like now you never get to touch it again. 10 years. 10 years. Yeah. But it's already been five.
Oh, but then again after 5 years it's not like we're going to resell that movie. Although I will say that movie holds up like it doesn't it's not dated, you know, when I watch it. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, um but yeah, we're 5 years into that deal and Okay. And then at the end the rights come back to you and you could Yeah, I believe so.
You'd sell it to like the History Channel. Yeah. 100 100%. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
Right. Uh yeah. Um but yeah, no, it's a fun movie. It's kind of like Ted, you know, Out on the Dog. It's it's got a Ted vibe to it. Uh it's about a buddy comedy, love triangle.
Uh a guy played by Sam Dailyaly, um who is just an awesome actor and his dog both get a crush on the cute new dog walker. And um and hilarity ensues. And hilarity ensues. But dude, yeah, we had a bunch of original puppets. Uh one of our puppeteer we had three puppet builders. One of our puppet uh puppeteers had worked for the Muppets.
So yeah, it was cool. There was some cool It was a It was a great time. Great cast and crew. That's sick. As I look away longingly as you days gone by. It wasn't that long ago, but boy, it was a blast and I miss it.
Yesterday years. Yeah. And so Alan the Dog still like it's still a thing that you're doing. Absolutely. I mean, I'm wearing the shirt right now. Um brought him back to Indianapolis uh with with me.
um brought most of our puppets back actually cuz if I make another movie and I'm planning to with puppets it'll be here in Indiana. Oh yeah, another movie with puppets. Another movie with puppets and it's going to be a comedy horror movie. Oh yeah. Well, you like I said when we made Alan the Dog, everyone told us including freestyle. I mean they they were being very honest with us.
They're like independent comedies that's tough to make money. Now horror movies different. There's just a bigger bigger market for it overseas. Um, we had a big actor in it. Um, he's Steven Weber from Wings in the in the '9s. Um, he's worked ever since then.
He's been in a bunch of movies, TV version of The Shining, Single White Female, and he's a big one of the big stars on Chicago Med right now. He's been on that show for like 5 years. But um you know, but even with that recognizable face, you know, we always use the example, you know, if you're going to do an independent movie, independent comedy that's going to make money, you need to have someone like David Schwimmer from Friends, someone everyone knows. He may not be at his peak right now, but everyone knows who he is. He's a household name, and the guy needs to do it for free because it's a passion project. That's how hard it is.
Wow. But hey, we were like, "No, we want to make the movie we want to make." End of story. Uh, and we've been regretting it ever since. Just kidding. I'm just kidding.
We haven't because we're really proud of it. But my next one, comedy, horror movie. Well, and that's like uh the economics of the industry. Like there is a piece of like making the thing you want to make and there's also a piece to like you know making a profitable venture that you know a film that funds your ability to do more of that and more of that. Like what does it really take for someone to get a blockbuster freaking hit? You know, I mean, I hear those stories.
Uh, and I think it does happen where you write a script that is so good and there's a bidding war and you make a million dollars off the first script. But, uh, it just feels like it is so hard. They call it breaking in to the industry for a reason. You have to break in because they're not sharing what they've got. Like, so for take TV right now, you know, how many shows does Taylor Sheridan have on TV? Oh gosh.
So, it's like they're not, and this is a business thing. I'm not blaming them, but they're not going to give a TV show to um you know, some new upcomer has a great idea. And you know, when I was at film school, how did Taylor Sheridan get like So, I guess he was an actor on um that biker movie or biker TV show. Um totally drawing a blank on it right now, but um I think he was an actor on that, but he had scripts and and yeah, he broke in for sure. He deserves everything he's got. But now that he's successful, it's just I just use it as an example of Yeah.
It's just it's not good business sense to go with someone new. Yeah. He was she he got a start portraying Danny Boyd in Veronica Mars and then uh this was it. David Hail in Sons of Anarchy. Sons of Anarchy, which I hear is a great show. I never thought it but uh yeah.
So I know it's really tough and that's why you know my advice is just go make your own movie. make a great movie, you know, or a great, you know, content or whatever it is, but be successful at that and then you might get other opportunities. He he also got his start. So, Veronica Mars and Walker Texas R checks out. Oh my god, that checks out that Taylor Sheridan started in Walker Texas Ranger. It does.
I mean, yeah, cuz now he's got like the 10, you know, like the four different pieces of the Yellowstone kind of, you know, it what I love about it is it's not just the show. Oh, it's like kind of like the Harry Potter universe, right? It's like the Marvel universe. It's like you have the history and you could probably have the future and you could have, you know, the offshoot and this and that and the other thing. And it's crazy. And then he goes around and turns out, yeah, the mayor of Kingtown, Tulsa King, Land Man, which is also a great one.
Like, dude, this guy is everywhere. Yeah. It's hard to be like, "Hey, we have Taylor Sheridan where you know people are going to watch just because of his name versus I'm going to give this random new person the shot to make their country western styled show." I mean, it makes sense. I mean, you put yourself in their shoes. Um, but yeah, that's what we run up against.
You know, I I wrote a pilot not that long ago. It got sent into the studio at Disney and we, you know, my heart started open up again like, "Oh my god, could this happen?" Um, and you know, Disney eventually passed. They said, "We're only looking for three camera shows and musicals," which is what they say about everything because that's all they're looking for. At least that that was the case when when we But we actually got submitted to the studio through a manager because the pilot is great. And that guy was like, "Dude, we we love this pilot."
But at the end of the day, I mean, I'm obviously I mean, I would not be a showrunner on a TV show. They're just not going to do that. Um, so really, wait, what is that? Say that again. A showrunner. Oh, like you know, just the the head guy.
They're not going to, you know, you got to be a showrunner first to become a showrunner. You know what I mean? Uh like, uh they're not going to trust a show to a new person. Yeah. You know, they might take your buy your script and you might be part of the writing staff, but you're just not you're not going to go from, you know, from like out on the sideline to like starring in That's right. That's right.
Wow. Yeah. So, it's tough. But hey, man, you know, it is what it is. Um but that's what I love about Allan. We made our own movie and we put it out there.
And uh you were saying about Allan, he's now here in Indianapolis and he's been on Indie Now nine times which is just a blast. Love uh love going on Indie Now just to like do a little sketch with Jillian and Ryan. It's just it's just so fun. Yeah, that is super fun. And we might have to have a special guest visit uh at the end of the show here. I do want to talk about your time on The Bachelor.
So one, everyone tons of people know this show. Obviously, it's it there's a little bit of hot water right now with what's going on there, but I mean, I don't know from from what your time was on The Bachelor, I guess the the BL thing is what are you allowed to talk about and what are you not allowed to talk about? Well, I I think I'm allowed to talk about pretty much things that are just already out there or or just what's true about all reality TV shows like is it it's not a shock to find out that reality TV is edited. Anything that's not security camera footage that's one angle is edited like you know what I mean like is there when you say that is it like oh hey red redo that like try that again no so there's no stops no absolutely look on the far extreme side people have asked me are they actors and I'm like no they are not they cannot act where we're the damn [laughter] Uh but uh so no absolutely I mean some people think it's scripted yeah like literally scripted scripted no gosh no like no close to that.
Um, but uh, so yeah. No, but you know, but you focus on different characters. There's definitely like different ways of telling about like the art of storytelling a little bit. Like you just look at what's going on. Okay. Like and how much of it is like you build up something that might just be a tiny little bit of friction to be like a huge sticking point in the editing.
Sure. Well, I mean, you know, uh, if you watch the show, you know that's true. I mean, if you look at a super tease or or like a tease for something that happens and then when you finally see it, it didn't really it wasn't that much. It's just like a movie trailer. They build it up to get you to watch. But um but yeah, no, it is it's storytelling.
So here's a very basic example. But on night one, there's what how many people? You know, let's say 30 come in. Let's say 25 30 people. And you've got 12 cameras running, which about you, they're filming all these people talking and that's an incredible amount of footage. I mean, someone's got to decide which conversations go in there, right?
So, uh there are people who might be a little bit more interesting than other people. people have more compelling stories. So, um, so yeah, in that regard, I mean, the show is put together in an editing room. Yeah. How long spoiler alert? So, like how long would let's say for episode one, the the first episode of a season of The Bachelorette, how long are they there recording and how long does it take you to create that episode?
It starts at about nightfall. First limo comes up around 8:00 p. m. and then it can go until about 8:00 in the morning. So, if you watch the show, you know, those those exit interviews where they're leaving, um, you know, the sun's coming up and so I don't know how long it takes. I would I mean, I'm just guessing here just from memory, but um I think you've got at least a couple of six weeks to put that episode together at least.
Wow. Yeah. Wait, you're telling like what are they doing for 12 hours? one by one, you know, third 25 30 people, one by one is stepping out of the limo and having a conversation, you know, a little, you know, an intro with the bachelor or bachelorette and you know, you might only see one what we call a sound up. You might only see one quick interaction, but they chatted for five five minutes. Oh, you know, you know what I mean?
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So, you know, these guys are stepping out of the limo and then all of a sudden this helicopter lands down and did he was just kind of a cocky dude, you know? Is he like did he just like independently pay for a helicop camels, race cars, all kinds of stuff. I remember I like I one of the episodes I watched like a female showed up with uh let's just say like an adult item. Oh, really? Oh, yes. That was Katie Thirsten.
Do you remember that one? I do remember that. And like slapped it in the guy and I would just be like I mean talk about being memorable, right? Yes. Yes. No, I I do remember that.
I like almost couldn't believe that it made it in the show. Yeah. No, I know. It kind of like probably like towed the the edgy line. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
Yeah. I could see someone at ABC going uh but like it's also too good not to and you're kind of like it was one of those like jaw drop moments and it's like imagine you're watching that on like a Sunday night. Okay, you paint the picture. You you're over at your high school girlfriend's house. She's obsessed with the Bachelor, right? And that happens and you're just kind of like you look at you and her dad make eye contact for a quick second and you're like nope nothing to see.
Like what what is that? I've never seen that before. Yeah, ex believe me. Yeah, though it's definitely pushing in. Of course, I remember it. Yeah.
And that was the point of it, I'm sure. And she ended up becoming the Bachelorette, which is crazy. So, she Yeah. What uh do you have other like fun stories from like bachelors or bachelorettees that are just memorable? Well, one thing that's just kind of funny is um and it goes to this sort of secrecy thing, you know, cuz you know, got to be careful what you talk about obviously. Um but [clears throat] uh so after Emily Maynard season and she was in Charlotte, they we filmed in Charlotte at a mansion there and after night one it's you know 8 9 in the morning.
Everyone's exhausted. I'm packed in this crew van. All my bosses are in the back and it's just dead silent because everyone's so quiet. you know, I'm so tired. And uh I pretended to take a phone call. And again, going to this, you're not supposed to talk to people about the show outside the show, especially while it's going on, especially before it airs.
And I go, "Oh, hello." And I go, "Hey, Mom." And of course, everyone's hearing every word, but I'm trying to be quiet. And I go, "No, Doug got the first impression, Rose." And so it's like, and then I go, "Just kidding." You know, [laughter] you know, like like I'm literally talking to my mom in front of the whole crew and you know about Yeah.
Did they think it was funny? They did. Okay, good. Because I feel like the bosses in the back, they could have been like, "Oh gosh, what are you doing?" Exactly. Were you Did you work on Ben Higgins season?
I did. Yeah. I Indiana guy works. Absolutely. Absolutely. Uh what what was your opinion of Ben?
Um you know, I like super nice guy. Yeah. A super nice guy. Um I one thing I remember about him is just was sort of like just a really nice guy. Yeah. I mean honestly like it just uh you know hey good Indiana boy.
Absolutely. Yeah. So I liked him a lot. He was he was very nice. Um who's been the most memorable person for you from your time on the Bachelor or Bachelorette? I really liked Chris Souls.
He was from Iowa and I remember watching his casting interview and he talked about farming and about you know getting his hands dirty in the soil and you know I'm not a farmer. This is pretty far from you know I'm a comedy guy but he talked about it in such a you know loving way. Yeah, you know, with such reverence. And I remember one of the executive producers because he knew I'd seen the casting. He wasn't like insulting or anything, but he knew I'd seen the casting tapes and he goes, "Who who stood out to you?" I go, "Chris, that guy is cool, you know, and he just I he seems genuine."
And, you know, he ended up becoming the Bachelor after that season. That was his season on the Bachelorette. I traveled a lot that season, so I was kind of around him. I liked him a lot. Um, he called me Candy Crush cuz I was always on my computer, so he thought I was playing Candy Crush all the time. And then one time he was walking by purposely loaded up Candy Crush, you know, just to tell him that that was true.
Of course it was not. But uh but yeah, um Sean Low was a great bachelor, just a really nice guy. And again, I wasn't around him. I'm not a cast producer, but um he had a great love story because at that time I was mostly in uh postp production. And we would get updates, you know, what's happening out in the field and we get updates on, oh, who's the Bachelor into you? He's, you know, this is these are his top four.
And when everyone shows up on night one, on some level they all kind of look the same because they're all gorgeous on some level. You know what I mean? So they're all hot, dude. Come on. They're all hot and it's like literally like it's hard to like tell them apart on the first night. Yeah.
Like with the guys, girls, everyone. Beautiful people. Exactly. So, but then over, you know, at least a few days, a week, their personalities emerge. And Sean, he this one woman named Catherine was not necessarily on his radar at the very beginning. But after like 4 weeks, he finally had a date with her.
And we heard back in post-prouction, oh, his top four are boom, boom, boom, Catherine. And everyone's like, Catherine. And they had gone on a date and they both had this incredibly cute, goofy sense of humor. And you can see it. And and that's when The Bachelor is the best. when you see it, you actually see people connecting, uh, falling in love, and I was telling telling Robert like, "Yeah, you put bunch of good-looking people in a room, there's going to be feelings."
You know, how in-depth those are, you know what kind of level of love you want to talk about, but hey, Sean and Catherine made it, they got married, they've got multiple kids, but he was just uh like they're legit. Yeah. 100%. Like, okay, let's say there's TW I mean, there's like 19 seasons, maybe. Yeah. How many There's 19 relationships.
How many of them make it the duration? I'm not sure. Um, but I always thought we had enough that it didn't matter. You know what I mean? Well, you know, there's enough. Well, this is my own thinking, but I was like, "Oh, man."
You know, it's drama either way. If people fall in love and get married, wonderful. If they fall in love and have a terrible breakup, wonderful. Uh, but you need to have some successful relationships, and they did. There's multiple marriages, multiple kids. Not a high percentage, but there they are there, you know.
So, um, yeah, because I mean like from start to finish, how long are they together? I want to say a couple months maybe. Oh, it takes a a couple months to do six six, seven weeks, some somewhere in there. So, that's like two months roughly. Something like that. From like the night that the limos pull up to the final piece.
That's right. And you know, I'll tell you, you know, if it sounds ridiculous, shows after us came out. Love at First Sight or Marriage at First Sight, I think was the show was called. But shows that are way more ridiculous came out, which made us look completely legitimate. Oh, yeah. Like what's the one where you you only ever talked to them?
Oh, is that the Love is Blind? Love is Blind. Yeah. So, I've never seen that, but here it's great. Or like, you know, a lot of people are loving Love on the Spectrum. Like, there's so many different love shows.
There was literally a show like it's it was love at first uh sight. So it was like literally no sorry marriage at first sight or something like that where they literally so that's not going to end well probably. I can't imagine it. And so, but so now it's like two months seems a long time. And you know, in fairness to the show, you are spending um you know, you're focused on the journey of love versus the real world. You may go on a date, wait a couple weeks, whatever else.
You're there. Yeah. To get this thing done with with what's going on, like how hard of a decision do you think it was for them to pull this last season? I think it was hard. you. I'm not.
So, this is the first batch reput season I've not worked on in 16 years. So, um I mean direct correlation, right? Exactly. The season doesn't happen. That's right. Oh my god.
That you know, so I have no, you know, inside knowledge of it, but it's hard to see, you know, I've wrapped, you know, so much of my career into it. I'm rooting for the show. I hope they can get get past this. Um but uh yeah, I think it's a huge decision to pull that show because of the money. I mean the money and you there's this what do you think it takes I heard and I don't know but I heard each episode's like a million bucks you know holy and how many there's probably like 10 something like that eight you're probably looking at like $10 million oh I think more than that um because they also have like and this is all stuff that's in the in the uh in articles but they they do tradeouts with stuff you know people pay them to like be at their hotel because it's going to be on the Well, it's like kind of like the modern influencer or one of like the OG influencers. Yeah.
Like, you know, we're going to stay at the Win in Vegas for the weekend or whatever it is and like you make sure to say the win in Vegas, you know, great time, very afford, not actually not very affordable at all. We were at the Moheaggan Sun in Connecticut and it reeks of smoke and they're always like, "This Moheaggan Sun is so beautiful." And uh one time, you know, again, going back to the secrecy thing. This was Andy Dorfman's season. And you know, we're all walking around. We've got like, you know, earpieces and walkies.
I mean, obviously we're associated with something. And they see cameras and they see groups of gorgeous people. And um I got into this elevator with sort of one of my protees. And uh this couple just drinking at the casino. They go, "What are you guys filming?" And I kind of looked at him and I go, "You take this, you know, lie to these people, you know."
And he goes, he goes, "Andy Dorfman season of the Bachelorette." And I was like, "Oh my god, he failed that." But um but uh oh, and then I I got one more story about secrecy. So at one point I was just out in the field taking notes on like what's happening because again, postp productions could be thousands of miles away. It could be half half a world away and they need to know what's going on on a daily basis just so they can keep up on what's going on. For example, that Catherine story when we found out he's really into her, they were like, "Oh, dude, we need to find scenes with her."
Talking about all the footage you got to go through. Got to find scenes with her to like control F Catherine. Exact. Yes. Exactly. And and get a scene with her so the audience can start to get to know her in case you know it goes.
You know what? That's bad storytelling. If all of a sudden it's like this random person that no one's ever seen. It reminds me of the Indy500 like uh cuz that's storytelling, too. Yeah. And so the I remember one year and I don't not I don't don't watch it every year but this guy he um just sort of came out of nowhere and was going to win and they're like this guy's name is he's from this small town and his dream like they're just rushing the story out because they hadn't mentioned him the whole time and they're like his dream has always been whatever you know and they're just kind of like rushing like find those notes or like last year when a rookie Schwarzman finds himself on the poll and you're like everyone's googling like who the heck is Schwarzman and like whatever was going on there.
Interesting. Yeah, it's so dumb. But I was out in the field taking notes and I would send my notes back to post just what's happening, you know, what's going on, how the date go. And dude, I had one of those. Well, we I called it the nerd harness that you wear over so I could walk and type. Oh my gosh.
Oh my god. Oh, it's ridiculous. There's there's some pictures of me out there in the nerd harness. But um so we're on this dock in Santa Barbara and I'm pretty far away from the action. You I'm just listening, you know, and just kind of taking notes. What's going on again?
They're going to go back to post-production just to let them know what's going on. And um this woman comes up to me and again, we're supposed to be secrets about who we are, secret about who we are, what we're doing. And this woman goes, "What are they filming over there?" And I go, "Oh, uh I'm not with them. I'm working on my novel." And she's like, "Beautiful place for it."
But it was hilarious because and again, you know, I'm great at like lying. Uh but my buddy, he failed in the uh in the elevator, the Moheag. But yes, that's wild. Yeah, cuz that's another piece of the secrecy where it's like after your season, you have to wait however long to talk about it until uh it airs. Yeah. And also like the Yeah, exactly.
The like if we were shooting today, if we shot the finale today, when would the season air? Four weeks. Oh, that's actually not that bad. No. Yeah, and I could be wrong about I'm just trying to think from memory. U but yeah, something like that.
Yeah, there isn't too much of a, you know, um too much of a gap there. Yeah. So imagine like you're gone for 6 months or or you're gone for six weeks, all of a sudden you come back and like where have you been? Like around. Oh, right. Exactly.
Well, that's been on my sabbatical, right? Yeah. Right. And yeah, like the the final couples, you know, they get time together, of course, you know, they can spend time together, but they can't go out in Vegas, you know, because then it'll ruin the ending. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
They have to like kind of like bunker up for a while. They do. So, we'll, you know, I know they will, you know, give them time together, you know, somewhere. It's like, how many of them make it through that? It's like, oh yeah, by the way, you pick each other and then you spend six weeks together and you're like, yeah, BT Dubs, I'm out on this. Yeah, exactly.
Oh my god. It's like now that I'm actually getting time with you, I don't like you. Yeah. Like when the cameras aren't on, I'm kind of out. Well, I'll tell you, you know, it's funny the show, well, it's my humble opinion, but the show, it's so human. So, you get people, you come in at the beginning and you're like, "What do you, you know, what are you looking for?"
And I'll give you example. Um, her name was Alli Edowski and my job that season, this was early on, was just to read everything she ever said in interview. And if they're interviewed three times a day, that's a lot of interviews. So, I was just just I was supposed to be the guy who knows what she's thinking about everything. And she said before the season began, they go, "What are you looking for?" She goes, "Three things.
sense of humor, sense of humor, and sense of humor. Meaning, she puts a high priority on sense of humor. And as a guy, you know, as a comedic wannabe, at the bare minimum, I'm like, I love to hear that. She ended up picking the sexiest, most boring man in the universe. No. Yes.
And I was I felt like I was the only one who noticed this because again, my job was to listen to everything she was saying and I kind of tuned into that in particular. I mean, he's like a funny guy. Oh my god. I'm very interested about mid Well yeah about mid-season I'm not in that category but but in mid-season she was starting to think things like you know and these are off sides you know kind of just thinking she wasn't really necessarily being asked about it but she's like yeah I don't know how important sense of humor is uh I'm the one who brings sense of humor to the she's totally justifying it and then uh they got to and I was literally like in this guy's interview great guy like you don't have to be I'm like you know but dude like and he was incredibly sexy. He was a former baseball player and uh they didn't last and I had read an article later and she mentioned that about the humor.
She was like, "Oh, you know, I think you know he didn't have these attributes that I was looking for." Oh, and then I'll give you one other example. I've had a bachelorette one time and this to me just sums up relationships perfectly. Um she goes, "Uh, some guy asked if he could kiss her, you know, some group date and he got her alone. And he's like, "Can I kiss you?" And she's like, "Yes."
And then in interview, she's like, "If you're going to kiss me, just do it." Oh, yeah. And then later, like weeks later, she had forgotten about it seemingly a guy she liked asked her to kiss her. Asked to kiss her. And in an interview, she goes, "Wasn't that adorable? He asked to kiss me."
And I was like, "Ah, you two time sloppy." Well, exactly. But it is what it Emotions are complicated. Well, and that that's what I was trying to say. That's why the show is so great. People are human.
They say what they say what they want, but they don't do that. They probably also say what you think they should say. Yeah. Well, what you want them to like, oh yeah, they want me to say all I care about like like, you know, it's your entry interview. You don't want to be like, "Yeah, I'm looking for a hot piece of meat." Right.
It's like, "No, I'm looking for a great personality." Right. Exactly. I'm looking for, oh, he has to be funny. And then you start to see these like ex baseball player with chiseled abs and you're like wait he doesn't need to talk like I'm just And then like that's exactly six weeks later or whatever the honeymoon phase is a little bit over and you're like yeah like what are we going to talk about at dinner? Yeah.
Oh my god. You know exactly I can only eat I can only eat my spaghetti off your washboard abs for so long. Right. Right. 100%. Yeah.
No it's there's rosecolored glasses there for sure. And like uh yeah it's it but yeah it just but it's a fascinating human dynamic you know but I tell you the people who survived or you who do well are uh confidence on both the female and male side the people who the cast members who sort of uh are insecure and talk about their insecurity every time they get a chance with the Bachelor Bachelorette they're just marked because it's just not a sexy thing. It's the people who are who are confident. So, like I always say, if I walked into a room with 30 people on a reality TV show and it was 29 other chubby, funny guys, I'd be like, "Who am I?" You know, like, you know, I would have like some sort of identity crisis. Yeah.
And that's what happens. All these beautiful people get together and the thing that make or one of the things that makes them special no longer makes them special. They're like just drop dead. So some of the people who have other things going on, yeah, it doesn't affect them as much. It would really hurt me on myself deprecating humor like Yeah. You can't come in there and I mean honest I don't know maybe you could Did you ever get the request like hey you guys should do the Bachelor but with normal looking people.
Yeah. So at one point we did have a show or the company had a show called uh more to love and it was sort of you [snorts] know uh you can imagine what it was but yeah. I mean is that like how that would not pass today? I don't feel like you know probably not. Uh, also you're kind of removing one of the, you know, one of the core things about the show is just staring at beautiful people the whole time. Um, but I think the original, uh, Mike Fice created the show and I, you know, I wasn't around uh, back then, but I think one of the attractions to the show is seeing beautiful people be messes.
You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, oh, you're just like us. You're one of us. Exactly. You're a mess just like me.
You're insecure just like you and me. Is there any bad blood from the show that still like you know people that just like do not like publicly do not like each other. I'm sure you know I you know I I would think so and I'm sure not everyone had an amazing experience on the show. Um I had a wonderful experience on the show. I loved it. Um I hope it does well.
I hope it comes back and stays strong. I was gonna say how does it make you feel with like the latest news around the Bachelorette? Like I said hard to see. Um, yeah, hard to see, you know. I mean, that that uh it's just Yeah. hard to see that clip of was like you couldn't script anything worse.
Yeah. Than that video. And like I'm I'm curious on how like the whole thing went down and it ends up dropping right then. And imagine sitting in the room and like someone shows you that and we're about to walk Yeah. out on stage and say this is this is happy and fun and great. I knew immediately there's no way that season would air.
No way. You can't watch the season that that in your mind. Yeah. You just can't do it. Do you think that affects the show going forward? Yes.
I mean, yeah. I mean, like I mean, you can't like a $10 million loss, $10 million plus dollar loss. tough to bounce back if you're not going to make that up for I don't know what the profitability of a season of the Bachelor is. Let's say it's let's say it's two and a half million bucks. You're going to take four more seasons to, you know, profit off of that. I don't know what the numbers are.
I don't either, but I'll tell you, you know, and again, this is stuff not that I learned while being on the show. I learned it reading about it. But uh when Discovery bought Warner Brothers, right away there there are articles being written what's going to happen to The Bachelor because Discovery uh their sort of uh expertise is uh you know somewhat lower budget reality TV shows like a cooking show where you drive to work and there's a set and there's a host. We fly a big cast and crew around the world. Yeah. So it's a way different thing.
So now, you know, we were talking about this over coffee, but like um with all the different, you know, avenues for entertainment, uh podcast, Tik Tok, whatever else, and there's so many less eyes on network television, the the studio is just not going to put up with this big of a budget show. Yeah. So, I think um that just the concept itself flying around the world, uh dates in Italy and France. Yeah. where like we had somebody in here that's doing like pop the balloon where you literally just get some balloons and walk a bunch of people out there and they like make comments about each other and it's funny and it gets a quart of a million views. So dude, you know, it's just hard to justify a big show like that, you know, back a helicopter landing, right?
Exactly. So yeah, you know, so but anyway, you know, I hope it it survives in, you know, one way, one, you know, one form or another and and it could. You talk about flying, you know, going out on site. How much of hometowns like those visits are doctorred up a little bit? So I've never been on a hometown. You never been on a hometown?
Cuz I remember Ben's Yeah. And it made Warsaw a little bit different. Like I think there was like a big festival that was not an actual festival or like some something along those lines was like a little bit like oh well that's not totally how it exactly is here. So Ben, you'll have to let us know. He actually comment he comments. He follows and he likes more videos.
So Shout out to Mr. Higgins. Absolutely. I'd love to hear about his experience with the Bachelor. He was at Victory Field. Um I don't think he'd remember me.
He was at Victory Field one time. You there was a long line and I was like, I guess I could go get in line and tell Ben I worked on the show, but I was like, nah. Yeah. But uh but yeah, but no, he was it was great to have a guy from Indiana and I I worked on his season of the Bachelorette. I was on his I was back watching his date when he was with Caitlyn Bristo on the Bachelorette and that was somewhere in Texas. Uh, of course he'll remember that.
But, uh, yeah, that was getting to know Ben a little bit. That's sick, man. I love it. Well, hey, I don't know. Do we Do we bring a visitor? Should we?
Let's do that. Should we do I mean, it's a low top table. Is that going to be okay? Oh, I will. Yeah, I'll just you. So, back in the day, um, I was like, I'm not going to appear with Allan, you know, like me and Allan at the same time.
I want to maintain that illusion. And I did a quick uh improv show one time where I was behind the curtain, behind stage, and I just a couple friends of a small audience. and Allen appeared and I refused to come out because I just, you know, just maintaining the illusion and finally her name was Angie. She's like, "Steve, we all know you're back there. Just come out here." And so I came out and I was all sweaty because it was hot back there.
And then I saw Jim Henson on the Carson show and he did it. And I'm like, "Okay, all good. All good." Yeah. All right. So, we have a guest stopping by the studio.
What's up, Nate? Allan, what up, dude? Yeah. How's it going, buddy? That's the money maker right there. Oh yeah, you get it.
Yeah, brother. Come on. Come and get in. You You are You have gotten in. You're a famous movie star. Maybe the famous movie star that we've had in studio, man.
Really? Wow. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, it's a pleasure to be here. Yeah.
Well, we're we're pumped up. And of all, the day we're filming this is National Doberman Day. That is exactly right. I love it. Perfect day for me to be on. Yes.
Happy National Doberman. I'm a Doberman. Um, and uh, but yeah, you don't look, you know, some people forget that cuz I didn't have my ears crapped. Hey, there we go. So, I got to ask Allan as a dog. How do you practice your material to become funny?
Good question. Um, h, I do have a writer and um, and yeah, so he'll write it. I'll, you know, scratch it all out and then make it funny. Ah, there we go. Okay. So, you got to you you get the first draft and then you know exactly what not to say.
He's my AI. Ah, there we Yeah. Yeah, chat Steve PT. Exa I love that. Yes, exactly. You know, he writes the first draft.
It's terrible. I cross it all out, give it back to him, and it's a little process like that, but by the time I'm done, it's funny. What is your single funniest moment? If you think about your life as a movie star and humor and comedy, what has been a moment that just made you roll on the ground laughing? I'll tell you one moment from set cuz that's where I thought you were going. U dude, I had this great moment on set.
We're working with Steven Weber, you know, from Wings and Chicago Mad. And um yeah, we're about to do our scene and I kind of just met him, you know, and um yeah, we're about to do it. The second gets quiet and I look around and I just kind of announce, I'm not one for hyperbole, but this is the greatest moment of my life. And Steven Weber goes, "Because of me, aim higher, dog." But it was just a great career Hollywood moment working with Steven Weber and the whole cast. Sam Dailyaly.
Um, same process by the way. First draft by this guy and then uh, you know, I rewrite and becomes funny and uh, yeah. But yeah, but [laughter] I, you know, my favorite comedy I think is Rushmore. Yeah. In fact, our movie Alen the Dog is uh, kind of similar to Rushmore because Rushmore is, you know, the the love triangle, I think. Did you see Wait, did you see that movie?
I haven't seen it. No. Oh, okay. Oh, dear. You got to check it out. Got to check out Rushmore.
Now, in terms of famous dogs, Uhhuh. where do you land on like you talk about Rushmore, the Mount Rushmore of famous dogs? Like if it was you, who would the other three be? Spuds McKenzie. Okay. You know, for sure.
I just look up to Spuds, you know, he was one of the first guys to break through. And um you know, I just wanted to become 21 in dog years and start drinking Bud Light. Yeah. Right. Okay. Uh who else?
Clifford. No, he's lame. Uh what about the I mean the Sporty Spice Air. Sporty Spice Air. I don't know. Airbud.
Oh my. Of course, Airbud's huge. Absolutely. You can't forget Airbud. No, Airbud. He's probably up there.
Um, who else? Trying to think. That's a funny dog. Oh, Snoopy's huge. He's not funny necessarily. I mean, he's kind of like he's humorous.
Yeah, he does kind of funny. He's like whimsical. Yeah, he doesn't get a lot of lines. What about Scooby? I think Scooby's all right. You know who I don't like is Scrappy.
Oh, you're you don't you don't mess with Scrappy? Yeah, I I think Scrappy uh kind of was jumped the shark moment on the show. Um, so yeah, Scrappy was kind of lame, but but Scooby's all right. I love who's his buddy? Shaggy. Oh, Shaggy, of course.
Yeah, Shaggy. Scooby. Not Scrappy, though. No, Scrappy out. Uh, well, what if Okay, what if they went like Jake Paul style and you had to call out another dog to fight? Ooh.
Boxing style. Like, who are you calling out? Who do I hate? Cuz I do have an enemies list. You have an enemies list? I do.
Who's on your enemies list? Well, I you know, if I if I tell you, it won't come true. M. But let me tell you, let me give give you a little hint. I've crossed a few names off. So, I'm just saying.
Did Helen Dog just admit to Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Hey, Or did did you cross them off your enemies list because you made friends with them? The former. Let's just say uh scores have been settled. [laughter] So, that's that's all I'm saying.
That's all he's saying. All right. So, if there is a celebrity boxing match, you're you have a list of people to pull from. Yeah. Well, yeah. Exactly.
The enemies in the list isn't uh just limited to canines. There's plenty of humans got problems with as well. Yeah. What about Snoop Dog? Oh, love Snoop. Big fan of Snoop.
Love Snoop, of course. I would love to do a video with Snoop. Oh, and he loves Doberman's. Well, there's a He turns into a Doberman in that uh that hip hip uh that hip hip hop video. Um whatever it is. But yeah, he turns into a Doberman.
Yeah. Well, what about Okay, so you have Snoop Dog. What about Pitbull or Pit Bulls? Oh, Pit Bull, like the rap artist. Yeah, I mean either one. Do you What do you think about Pitbull and Pit Bulls?
Pit Bulls? I think they're all right. You know who uh I used to hate? Golden Retrievers. Oh, well, yeah. I'll tell you why.
Because Golden Retrievers, uh, just to use a movie analogy, Golden Retrievers are like, oh, you know, the popular high school quarterback character. Um, what does an Airbud do? Right. Exactly. Yeah. You know, he's a quarterback character who like he's friends with the nerd next door and he's just perfect.
But you know what? Golden Retrievers are all right. They are They're that good. They really are. I mean, they're kind of like the darlings of the K9 world. Yeah.
And that's why I sort of like uh But yeah, but they've been crossed off the enemies list because I'm okay with them now. Oh, okay. They are kind of like the the quarterback, but like the friendly quarterback. Ex. Oh, yeah. Exactly.
Like very much. And then you realize they shed too. Exactly. And you want to hate them, but you can't. Um, and why do I always I sort of I'm always uh bringing up my enemies list. Why do I do that?
I don't know. I keep walking into that. I love it. Uh, okay. Well, as we round out, where can people find more about you, Allan? Where can they find more about the work that you're doing and the work that you might have coming up?
Sweet. Yeah, we're we're hoping to make another movie here in Indie um starring me. Um, and it's going to be a comedy horror movie, but we'll talk more about that later, maybe after we're uh in production. Um, that's my brief for production. But uh but yeah, man. Um, yeah.
So, they can go to maningroad. com. That's like a bunch of my videos are there. All my um How do you spell that? Oh, mning grooad. com.
It just takes you to my YouTube channel. But um uh yeah, 49 subscribers. Can't be wrong. Oh, just kidding. Just kidding. We got a few more of that.
A couple more. Yeah. Yeah. But all my appearances on Indie Now are there. Steve's comedy is there. And um Yeah.
And als Yeah, that's pretty much the best place. Mannyroadroad. com, I think. Heck yeah, brother. Well, hey, I Oh my gosh, you have a video from 15 years ago. Oh my gosh.
Uh Steve's got a video from uh when he was in sixth grade. That's the first time he made his first short film. No way. Oh yeah. What was it called? Slow Times at Park.
Question for you. Sure. Is Steve on your enemies list? He has been before. Perhaps he has been before. Well, Alan, we appreciate you stopping by.
Keep up the good work. You are now the most famous movie star that has set foot on this show. Love it. Well, thank you, Nate. We I really appreciate it, man. Thanks for having me.
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