student athletes are going to become employees. Once you get money involved, it brings in another level of cooks in the kitchen. I'm going to pay $2 million for this 18-year-old quarterback to come to my school. I don't think that was the goal, but that's what it's turned into. I wouldn't be shocked if football broke away from the NCA entirely. I think people are way too crazy about high school sports.
Do you think this is a good thing that's happened? Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are, however you may be listening. Thanks for tuning in to the Get Indiana podcast network. My name is Dominic Miranda and I've been covering sports for nearly a decade. Most of which right here in Indianapolis. This is the Get In Sports podcast.
We're going to be covering everything in the Hooser State, high school, college, pro, in the sports capital of the universe in the greatest state on planet Earth. Thanks so much for coming on this journey with us. Let's get into it. On today's episode of Get In Sports, we're going to be diving into the topic of NIL making its way into high school athletics, specifically here in the state of Indiana. This following the IHSAA's recently enacted public branding activities rules. That's the terminology there.
For that, we turn to an expert. We're pleased to welcome on Connor Glass to the program, attorney at Church, Church HD, and Antrum to further explore this new world we're living in and how it's impacting high school athletics. Connor, thank you so much for making some time coming on. We're in the we're in the thick of football, so what better time? Yeah, thanks for having me on. It's an honor.
Happy to be here. Yeah, absolutely. So, first I just want to know a little bit about your background practicing law. It looks like CCHA is uh centered on kind of the rapidly evolving world of college and high school athletics, but just your journey too, just in the state of Indiana and and what maybe how this became of interest to you. Yeah, definitely. So, born and raised in Indiana from Indianapolis.
I went to St. Thomas Aquinus 1st through 8th grade and then went to high school upper buff Jesuit nice and went to IU for undergrad. My roots run deep in Indianapolis and Indiana after graduating college. I kind of ended up in working at a law firm in a roundabout way. I really wanted to work in TV and film production and Good choice not doing that by the way. Well, I did I get I I was I was in that industry for about six years.
Okay. And ended up moving out to Los Angeles. Oh wow. and kind of pursuing that dream for a while. And then as things played out, I ended up moving back home to Indianapolis. I took the LSAT in Los Angeles at 27 and decided to move back home and and enroll at McKenna knowing I wanted to work in in college sports.
I was really interested in sort of this new NIL space and I thought it was kind of a long time overdue and so that was kind of why I moved back to Indiana with the intention of working in college athletics and I'm lucky enough that I've been able to do it. So when you took the ELSAT and were of doing this NIL had already been introduced like what year was that? Yeah. So it was getting I think the NIL interim rule was passed in 2021. Yes. I made my decision in 2020.
Okay. So it it was kind of it was kind of the direction things were heading. And I was working my last gig in Los Angeles was working for this basketball league, the big three uh threeon-ree basketball league that Ice Cube started. Yeah. And so that was when I started sort of pivoting from working in TV and film and I kind of pivoted towards working more in sports and found that really fun and and interesting. And so that was kind of what led me down the path of, hey, maybe I should go back to law school and give this thing a try.
What was it about sports? I found this out moments ago. Okay. Connor is son of Fred Glass, former IU athletic director who Nate Spangle had on his podcast. So give that a listen. It was very, very good.
Yeah, good episode. How old were you when he was his tenure there? because I'm sure that shaped a lot of your passions or perspectives. Definitely. I remember my junior year of high school getting lunch with my mom and her telling me, "Hey, you can't tell anyone, but your dad's up for the IU athletic director job. It's It's like him and I think he was down to like it was down to like four people and he was one of them."
And that blew me away. I couldn't believe it. I grew up a huge football and basketball fan. That was pretty surreal. I think initially my reaction was once he got the job it was well I'm definitely not going to IU now because I don't want to go to school where my dad's the ad and I you know I want to forge my own path but he was really cool and I ultimately decided to go to IU and I'm so glad I did and he was really good about giving me space obviously it was really fun going to school and your dad's the AD and we had some really fun basketball seasons I was going to say it was these are like prime years right I mean that those were some fun Like were you in college for the watch shot? Yeah.
Yeah. Oh yeah. The uh Okay. Yeah. So what do you remember about that? I was sitting with my parents.
I sat with my friends for about half of the games and then real big games. I would ask my dad, "Hey, can I can I sit with you?" Cuz he had pretty awesome seats, I bet. And so I sat with my dad and my mom and my younger brother, George. That was such a surreal moment. I remember wondering, "Hey, if we if we pull this off, like I wonder if people will rush the floor, not knowing that it was going to be one of the most iconic shots ever in college basketball."
I don't even really remember the thought process, but all I know is the shot went in and the next thing I knew I was on the floor and I was bear hugging Cody Zellerin and in the middle of the dog pile is pretty pretty crazy. Yeah, those are good memories. That is really cool. I Whenever I need a pickme up, I'll just watch the watch shot just like for the call for Dick Vital. I thought Assembled Health was going to come down that night. That was That crowd pop is among probably the best ever.
No, I wasn't there. I wish I was. My buddy was there, but I will never forget it. I loved watching those IU teams in my youth. But anyway, that's really cool. I'm assuming that's why you kind of got into sports.
But all right, let's get to the matter at hand here. So, well, first of all, I guess getting your law degree and channeling it towards sports, particularly at the beginning of NIL, how before this penetrated high school stuff, what was kind of your experience with college athletics, athletes getting paid, and how that worked, your mindset about this, and what maybe your specific role within that was. Being a fan of college sports, I thought it was long overdue. I thought student athletes should be paid. the schools are making enough money off of their likeness that these rules that the NCA was enforcing I thought were antiquated and student athletes deserve to be paid. So that was something I was really passionate about.
My dad during his time at IU was a big proponent of supporting student athletes and looking at student athletes holistically and he created one of the first student athlete bill of rights which guaranteed student athletes certain benefits that they were allowed to get under NCA rules but weren't necessarily guaranteed. So that was what drew me to this new evolving space. Since then, it's gotten a little crazy. I think from my point of view, the perception of like, okay, guys on your roster can do a commercial for Bob's Plumbing or, you know, make a percentage of their jersey sales. I find that's great. That's 100% awesome.
Evolving into the I'm gonna pay $2 million for this 18-year-old quarterback to come to my school. I don't think that was the goal, but that's what it's turned into. fair. No, 100% fair. And I think you're in the majority. That's how I felt, too.
Why can't these guys make money off the jerseys that are being sold with their names on the back, right? I think the NCAA went into it thinking, we're going to let student athletes make money off their name image likeness, but schools can't get involved in these deals. You can't recruit kids with NIL money, and it can't be pay for play, right? And that all sounds good. the way the current landscape is now, they're susceptible to these lawsuits and it's it's really hard to get anything to stick. Yeah, that's really interesting because I think the NCAA was like, okay, this is right.
This is good. This is good for players, but then it it felt rushed in a way of there's no, well, what if this happens? And then the schools and the players and the agents and all these people involved, they're pushing the boundaries. It's like, well, we're not we're just doing it within the parameters of the rules and there are no rules. So, it's just like an interesting situation there. But did do you do you deal with athletes at all?
Like what is kind of your expertise with college athletics with players being played with NIL? We have clients. We have all different sorts of clients within this space. So we represent conferences, higher ed institutions. We'll work with coaches. We do work with student athletes.
We used to work with collectives. You don't really see those as much now, right? Um but we will work with boosters who want to contribute to the sport that that they love and and for the school that they're passionate about. So we do see it kind of from from every different angle in terms of how it's evolved. When I started at church church and Antrum CCHA, we did a lot of NCA infractions work and we have several people in our practice at our firm that are from the NCAA. If a school is they get a notice that, hey, you're under investigation for breaking this NCA rule and and now you have to go through the infractions process, they'll hire outside counsel to kind of help them through navigating that.
So that that was really a majority of the practice when I started. I've only been there for three years full-time now, but it's it's evolved so much even since then. I would say the majority of what we do involves revenue sharing in NIL. That's so interesting. It's like look, as long as Ohio State and Notre Dame play and it's awesome product, I'm cool. All the other stuff, whatever.
As long as my Saturdays are intact, we're straight. But there's just so much more that goes into it. And head coaches are essentially CEOs. I mean, they've had to start hiring GMs to keep it all straight. and the recruiting process has changed so much and it really is paytoplay and it's it's just so interesting. But let's go surface level here.
Okay. What we're talking about today, public branding activities for high school athletes in the state of Indiana. Can you kind of break that down for us and what does that look like or should it look like? This is very this is relatively new for our state and high school athletes. Yeah, definitely. So, in May of this year, the IHSAA passed uh personal branding activities framework.
So, they passed rules that have been put into their bylaws that allow student athletes to make money off their name, image, and likeness without risking losing their amateur status. We're the 46th state in the country to put a framework in place that allows high school student athletes to make money off NI. That's so I didn't realize everybody else is doing this already. It's been somewhat of a mad dash. Yeah. And we're I'm not going to say late to the game, but we are one of the last states that held out before before passing the the PBA.
Interesting. So, have you seen And they it can't be associated with the school at all. That's right. Yeah. The the number one thing that I've seen the IHSA stress since passing this PBA framework is the PBA opportunities have to be completely independent of the school that the the kid attends. So, if you're doing an Instagram ad for a local business, you can't wear your Lawrence North gear.
You can't be standing on your high school's baseball diamond giving your little pitch on your phone. You can't reference your accomplishments with the school. It needs to be completely independent. And I think the thought process behind that is the IHSA has seen sort of how things have evolved in the college athletics landscape and they want to try to avoid that as much as they can and keep the integrity of of high school sports. Do you think that's possible? I don't I that that feels like a hope and a prayer.
Like you So you can't say I'm such and such five-star recruit at Blanky Blank High School. You can just say I'm Don Miranda. I'm going to assume that all of you know who I am and that's why I'm making this ad and that's why it's um interesting to you but I the you know the term amateurism and then public branding activities I understand you don't you can't associate with the school that feels like an oxymoron almost like how do they tow that line and maybe I'm just naturally a little more pessimistic on this subject but I've just seen it at the college level you know when the interim NIL policy went into place there was no pay for play. You couldn't recruit kids with NIL and schools couldn't get involved and now schools are heavily involved. There's revenue shared that where that is literally pay for play and kids are getting recruited all the time for NIL. And so I think ideas in place with the with the rules around PBA are are goodnatured and I and I think they make sense initially.
I just don't think that's how things are going to play out. I think people are way too crazy about high school sports. I think people are very passionate about it. Once you get money involved, it brings in another level of cooks in the kitchen. Yeah. Every everyone wants to help ensure that their school has a competitive edge, right?
And the IHSA, I think they're going to have a hard time enforcing some of these rules. You know, the NCAA has a whole enforcement wing. They have a whole team of enforcement officers and investigators that look into these sort of things. And it's kind of different when you're coming at it from their perspective where they don't have those resources. and all of a sudden I have to prove that this kid was illegally recruited through PBA to join this other school. I just think it's going to be hard to enforce some of these rules.
Yeah. I mean already with NIL in the college space, we're talking about 18 to 22 year olds. I mean we're now really talking about 18 to like 26 year olds. Okay. So like stomach it a little better cuz they're like adults, right? Quote unquote.
But we're talking about 15 to 18year-old kids here. Extremely vulnerable on who to trust. And I'm talking about like agents and perhaps those trying to take advantage of these kids. How can they sift that out or like what should they be looking for as far as someone who's reputable? Do you see this devolving into hey I know you live in Brownsburg but why don't you come over here to Lawrence and play? That's just an example.
I'm not saying that's happening. But like you know like could it devolve into that? I don't know. It's a loaded question here but these are kids we're talking about. I'll start with your point of 15 to 18 year olds cuz I think that's an important point. When I was in high school, I worked at Sulvin's Hardware on 49th in Pennsylvania, and I was not making a lot of money, but I can tell you that with the little money I was making, I was doing dumb stuff with it.
And I think that's natural of any high school kids to expect them to be able to navigate this new space is asking a lot of these kids who are still evolving into the the people that they're going to end up being. So, I think that is a concern, but it's inevitable. This is going to happen whether we like it or not. And I think it's important to people to look at these as opportunities rather than a way for people to take advantage of kids. To your point about agents, that is going to be an area where there are going to be a lot of bad actors. We see a lot of bad actors in the college athletic space.
I expect nothing different. I think agents can be a really valuable asset. I think that they can provide good services. I think good agents let athletes be athletes and focus on their school and their and their sports and their youth and their youth and their friends and and just being a kid and then they can handle some of these pseudo business opportunities. But that's putting a lot of faith into this person that that they're going to understand the rules, that they're going to understand what you're signing off on, and that they're not going to take advantage of you, right? And so the the younger you are when you're making these decisions, I think the more susceptible you are to these bad actors.
Yeah. But again, I think that these are all learning opportunities and I think it's important to look at it through that lens of, hey, maybe you do enter into a bad agreement early on or maybe you do sign off on a deal that wasn't the best idea as a kid. That's not the end of the world. And you're you're getting an opportunity to learn those lessons earlier than a lot of other people are getting the opportunity to learn those lessons. I think generally kids love to say, "Hey, let me talk to my agent." Or, "Hey, I just I just signed an agent."
But I would just really recommend that they think about what value is this agent going to give to you. Are they helping your career or are they making you more susceptible to losing eligibility or to getting in legal or financial problems? It's cuz Yeah. Because how are you to know who has your best interest in mind? That's why it's always good to have a great support system. And like if I was ever good enough to enter into public branding activities as an 18-year-old, I probably would just would have used my mom or something cuz I know, you know, she's no BS.
But who knows, you know, like this I it just is fascinating to me that I was talking to my wife about this just the other day. Like when you're 18 and you think you know it all, but you definitely don't. Like you're asked to make the most important decision in your life of where you're going to college, right? add all of this stuff on when you're a freshman, sophomore, junior, senior, and that all of a sudden becomes like second to like what you've already been experiencing throughout your high school athletic career. And that's why I'm wondering the whole amateurism thing. How can we say this in the same sentence, amateurism, but these kids are being asked to grow up fast and make these decisions.
Have you seen any examples of high schoolers in the state taking advantage of this stuff? I've seen several agent agreements come across my desk. So, I find that promising that there's student athletes out there that are looking for legal help when these contracts are being put in front of them. So, I'm always happy to look through those. I'm seeing schools ask sort of what's going on here and help us please. What are the rules?
What do we need to be doing? How do we need to be educating our coaches and student athletes? And then I've talked to some agents who I've spoken to of, hey, I'm getting involved in this space to help kids and can you teach me these rules and how I can put myself in in a position where I can be an attribute to these kids. I can I can help them as opposed to all right, I I want this 25%. Right. And and I and I want to be their agent in perpetuity in case this kid takes off.
I haven't seen any PBA deals yet. I'm assuming that those will be coming soon, but people are gearing up. That's so interesting. And you you kind of mentioned it is reassuring. I'm certain there's a handful or more of people out there who truly are in this for the right reasons. I mean, a good agent for a 15 to 18year-old is like worth its weight in gold if they truly have your best interest in mind or like helping you right navigate this whole thing.
But you just don't know if that's who you're getting or certainly hope the people around our state are feeling that and are acting that way. But you did just mention you spent a lot of time advising colleges, conferences, collected, the whole nine yards, agents on these NIL matters or PBA matters, compliance, infractions. What would you say is something common that comes up or blind spots for these schools or conferences or agencies or maybe a misconception or murky waters? I know it's kind of loaded, but I'm sure you've found some themes in your advising. Definitely at the institutional and conference level, I think it's really important to have buy in across the board. Things are changing at a really really rapid pace and it's easy to kind of put your hands up and opt out, but you really got to stay on top of it and and at the institutional level, it takes buyin across the board.
You need your president to to understand this space. You need your board to understand this space. You need your general counsel to understand what's going on and why this is important for the success of your athletics program. It works side by side with them and navigating some of these potential legal issues. One of the blind spots I see is on one side it's like a reluctance. It's hey I didn't this isn't what I signed up for.
So I'm kind of opting out and you really can't opt out. It's inevitable. So you got to learn you have to learn to lean in. I mean if this is going to happen do it correctly. Do it the right way. Yeah.
And look at these things as opportunities. Like I said before with student athletes, I think a big misconception is that there are rules. There are things that you you need to be aware of, especially at the high school level. And with that is like we mentioned before, these have to be independent of your school. You know, there's reporting requirements. You have to if you enter into a deal with an athlete agent, there's state laws in place that say you have to inform your school and and you have to put them on notice of that agreement.
For sure. If you enter into a PBA deal, there's IHSA rules that say you have to inform your school that you've entered in into these agreements. That makes sense. And then there's also reporting requirements for when you go to college in the wake of this sort of house settlement, which is what led to revenue sharing in college sports, they created what's called the college sports commission. and they kind of oversee some of these settlement terms which include, you know, like there's a cap on how much revenue sharing schools can give to their athletes across all their sports. I think it's like 22% of the revenue brought in by the Power Five conferences that that's where the where the cap is set.
So, I think this year it's like $21. 5 million or something like that. And so, and then outside of that there's these third party NIL deals. If you enter into a third-party NIL deal with an associated entity, that deal is going to be reviewed through what's called the College Sports Commission through this software called NIL Go. At the college level, you have to report these deals that are with associated entities, and that's to ensure that they're for a valid business purpose and that they're within this range of compensation. There's this reporting requirement once you get to college.
There's also a reporting requirement from your high school NIL deals once you get to college. So, when you sign at a a school at a D1 level that's opted into these house settlement terms, you are obligated to report your NIL deals dating back to your junior year in high school that were for $600 or more. And I think that's another blind spot a lot of athletes aren't aware of of you need to be keeping track of these agreements because you're going to be required to report them once you get to college. That's so fascinating. I think an agent really is necessary for this stuff for kids and families got enough going on. I mean, gez, I was the middle of three boys.
We had color-coded calendars and we have too much going on already, man. Like, goodness gracious. But are there any states that are way ahead high school-wise that you see? I would say it depends on your definition of ahead. There's some pretty interesting stuff what's going on in Florida. Kids are basically free to transfer as many times as they want.
And you're you're seeing the number of transfers taking place at the high school level increasing a ton since these NIL rules were put into place in Florida. You know, you'll read stories about kids playing for like eight different high schools and transferring midyear, all sorts of crazy stuff of bad coaches that are shopping kids around and yeah, it can get kind of ugly. My goodness. I think Indiana's I don't foresee that happening because there's pretty strict IHSA rules about being able to transfer, right? But there are there is this new one-time transfer rule that the IHSA recently passed where you can transfer within your first six semesters and not lose any eligibility. So you could you can transfer for any reason within those first six semesters.
I hope people follow the PBA rules that are set into place. But part of me thinks, oh man, I could see people taking advantage of this onetime transfer rule a lot more. And I could see those number of transfers really increasing. Yeah, that's this is just so interesting to me. I guess we've been kind of dancing around this, but can amateurism still exist with this question? I think at the college level, no.
Right. I think where this is all heading in my opinion is student athletes are going to become employees, right? And they're going to unionize and there's going to be collective bargaining and it's going to turn into at least at the the major sports into kind of more of a feeder system. I wouldn't be shocked if football broke away from the NCA entirely. Oh my word. In the future, again, these are just kind of my predictions and maybe I'm pessimistic, but you're supposed to be you're p you're paid to be.
Come on now. High school, I think, is is different. I think there is a way to protect these kids because I think I think it's a little more common sense and I think it's something people can get behind and I think if the wheels really start to fall off, you could see the state intervening and and trying to get this thing back on track. Yeah. I I mean I have a lot of respect for the IHSAA. I think dipping into this with a bit of skepticism, but like you said, it's inevitable.
So either keep up or risk I mean what's to say if Indiana held strong, kids aren't just leaving the state? I mean, that could very well happen and then, you know, then that just damages everything. So, we'll see how this pans out. I have a lot of friends who are who wanted to be involved in sports, got their law degree, and are pursuing being an agent. Is was that ever something interesting to you? Just especially now, especially like what kind of led to you getting involved anyway?
Yeah, definitely. I think it it was definitely something I I wanted to do when I when I thought about going to law school, and it's still something that I'm considering. I see the landscape now. I think I can be more of an asset as counsel for some of these student athletes. And I think I'm gaining more of a useful perspective by working with schools and working with boosters that I've put myself in a unique position where I can tell where the sticking points are going to be and where schools are going to push back or agents are going to push back. And I think that would be really helpful for student athletes.
So, I would say I'm not ruling out the possibility of going down that path, but I think right now I'm I'm really happy at CCHA working as an attorney. I love it. I love it. We're overall here with everything we've discussed primarily at the high school level here in Indiana. Do you think this is a good thing that's happened? We mentioned it was inevitable, but where can this evolve or devolve in the next 5 to 10 years, do you think?
I try not to think too much about if it's good or if it's bad. I mean, there's there's always good stories and there's always bad stories, but to your point, like, it's inevitable. It's it's just the reality. And so, I'm more focused on looking at these things as opportunities and helping student athletes learn how to navigate this space. I think it's Coach Prime always says, keep keep the main thing the main thing, focus on being an athlete and a kid and and setting yourself up to be successful in the future. I think there's bad actors there.
There's a lot of sharks in the water. There's so many ways to get put in a bad position and and there's so many ways to get caught up in it. But you can look at this as a real opportunity to learn some of these valuable lessons a lot of people don't learn until after they graduate from college. Taxes. Are you going to form an LLC? Who are you going to have look over these agreements?
How are you managing your brand? I mean, if this is really what you're going to do, how are you going to balance being a kid and trying to get social media followers up? I mean, my suggestion would be don't worry about that stuff. But I think that those are I'm with you. Those are lessons that can be learned at at a younger and younger age. My goodness.
I can't even imagine if this was going on when I I sound like the old man at the I'm not even 30. I sound like the old man yelling at the clouds. Like, dude, we just went out and played basketball in the driveway after school. Like, what are you talking about? Luckily, I was not a very good athlete, so I would not have had a Yeah, we would have been just been like, "Yeah, you guys, hey, you go crazy. We're just going to be watching.
It's all good." I don't think I could have found a new one to pay me PBA, right? Yeah, I'd have to pay them. I think uh that this is crazy. I just think it's Look, if it's going to happen, being educated about it, pursuing this in a positive way, like I do think there are cases and examples of people taking advantage of of this in the correct manner. Okay, I'm going I'm going to choose to believe that because if that's not even a possibility, then this stinks.
But I do think, and it sounds like you would agree, there are good people out there agent-wise, there are smart kids and smart families out there who can take advantage of this. And I think the whole goal is, I mean, these kids are I mean, if you if you think about it just like plainly, these kids are making schools money, I guess, right? I mean, they are. So, to get a share of that, whether it I don't know if it'll be in the millions. I don't think it should be for high schoolers, but maybe, you know, in the thousands, that's that's fine. I just think this is really really interesting to see where it trends in here in Indiana over the course of the next few years.
What what what where do you find yourself during football season here? Do do you find yourself back at I I mean, you have to be just over the moon with what IU did last year. Yeah, the the IU uh resurgence has been surreal. It's been uh never in my wildest dreams did I think this was possible, but it's it's really impressive what Scott Doulson and and Kurt Signetti have been able to get done at at IU. So, yeah, I've luckily been able to go to a lot of games. The signetti's first year, I went to the Michigan game with my dad and nice we were just pinching ourselves because we we just couldn't believe how far it was just so cool seeing the stadium filled and the towels in the air and and then the product on the field is is amazing.
So yeah, I'm all in on IU football. I went to the the national championship in Miami last year. Pretty unreal, right? Yeah, it was it was truly unreal. And the craziest part, I thought we were going to win the whole game. I didn't I don't know.
It just the whole thing felt like a dream. So it was like the doom and gloom days are over. Yes. Never did I think I'd be like, "Well, of course we're going to win the national championship." But that's truly how I felt in Miami against Miami. Not even a thought.
I gotta tell you the the I thought the Rose Bowl environment was insane. I mean Alabama fans are hitting the exits with like third third quarter John Melon camp whole fourth quarter it's 38 to3 or whatever and then in Atlanta I mean I'm I'm serious. 95 to5 IU to Oregon fans in Atlanta. I've never seen anything like it. The Ponds pick six crowd pop was out of this world. That was crazy.
And then just going on the field after the game in my capacity with channel 13 and the confetti and they were singing Fernando and like I will never forget it. I remember I was making breakfast the week after finally it died down cuz I mean my wife was like okay nice knowing you. You know in January I was gone every single week. So I'm making breakfast and I she started playing the Fernando song and I'm like getting like choked up. I'm like this is so crazy. Like I can't believe this.
Anyway, you didn't ask for that story but there it I mean, yeah, it was just a crazy crazy run. And I'm so happy and your dad were able to enjoy that together because what a I bet he was just like this is I never thought I mean like if we were injecting truth serum and each other like probably never thought this was going to happen, right? The Fernando song was was epic. I think we listened to it about I just got married in May. I think we listened to it like 30 times at my bachelor party and so awesome. My wife went to Purdue.
She played soccer at Purdue. So she told me strictly no Fernando at at the wedding. I'm kidding. We still love Purdue, too. That's really cool. Okay, I asked this to all my guests.
Conor, this has been awesome. Thank you for your insight into this everchanging topic. I think a lot of people will find it really useful and really um interesting and educational as well. But I asked this all my guests and you would know this. You're an Indiana guy through and through, but in your mind, what makes sports special in Indiana? I think you can't underestimate the value of the community within sports.
That was something that really stuck out to me during the CO 19 pandemic of God, I just miss going to to games and it was weird watching them on TV with with no one in the crowd. And I think just through my dad's experience as athletic director, my wife coaches youth soccer. So going to those games and and high school games and the IU football ride. After the national championship, there were grown men next to me crying. It just means so much to people specifically in Indiana. Yeah.
I mean, if you go to a basketball game or a Butler basketball game over at Hinkle, you know, the old ladies in the crowd are they're giving the refs just as much grief as the kids in the student section. People take sports very seriously here. It's awesome. You can commiserate. I I have a group of friends. We've been going to an away Colts game every year for like the last seven or eight years.
Love that. And uh the first year we won against Washington, uh we've lost every single year since then. Seriously, in the game you picked and I think we've been favored. I think we've been favored in every But it Ouch. But just being able to watch our team lose with your buddies is is still fun. It makes the wins that much more awesome.
We're the biggest losers there are. It's great. Oh man, that's that's why we love sports, especially in this state. There's no other place you can have feelings like what IU football did or Yeah. like Butler when they went to the national championship two years in a row or how we treat high school teams in this state just really special. So very very cool and you would know better than most with the dad who did what he did.
This is Connor Glass everybody of CCHA. Really appreciate your time. Thank you for coming on and kind of educating us about NIL and PBA with the IHSAA and all the other abbreviations there are. Really good fun here. So thank you Connor. Appreciate it.
This is Get In Sports with Don Miranda. We're going to have all sorts of good stuff throughout football season. So, be sure to listen on Tuesdays and Fridays as we drop new episodes every week. It's football season.