How's the Culture in Indiana

we are part of what makes cities great and we're part of what make people's lives awesome we are a state full of creators and innovators and people who care that singular event and all those Scrappy folks who changed the way we thought about ourselves what are your top three books by who your authors to give out this holiday season from South bin to Evansville and everywhere in between this is get in the show focused on the hooer state and the incredible stories happening here today I'm Nate spangle founder of G Indiana and I will be your host for today's conversation what's going on today we have an awesome interview with Kira amstud from Indiana Humanities now I didn't know a ton about the humanities going into the conversation but by the end I am pumped up now throughout the show Kira shares a few ways that her team is impacting the lives of hooers you're going to learn about a once- in a-lifetime opportunity for towns in Indiana with less than 10,000 people you're going to hear her top three books by who your authors to give out this holiday season and a life act to run your next book club for free I know you're going to enjoy this conversation let's get into it Nate I am thrilled to be here today thanks so much for having me on as a guest oh my gosh I'm uh I'm so excited before the camera started rolling we were talking about all the things we're going to get into and we could literally take this conversation anywhere from small towns and Museum exhibits to Arts culture like the whole nine yards and history so uh and I am a nerd for who's your history so well and I understand you're also a nerd for things like tenderloins and other things too so we could go we could go all over the place literally anything Indiana I'm a nerd for it um so I think just like a good way to set the tone right so people see Indiana Humanities and it's kind of like to me on the outside it's a little fluffy like what does this mean what are Humanities like I kind of we talked about before but like Arts Humanities they're they're similar but different and so give us you know the one to two minute overview of what you're doing at Indian humanity and and what the humanities are just in general oh that's a big question and it's a fun question but I think um rather than getting hung up on the humanities we're going to talk for a second about sort of like how we started because I think it's an interesting story so Indiana Humanities was founded 52 years ago and we are an organization dedicated to focusing on the public Humanity so those of you who maybe studied Humanities in college you may have a background in and you mentioned before like the fields of history and literature and Civics and ethics and philosophy all those kinds of things are sort of Humanity's Fields our work is practical we're in the public so we are things you do every day we are not something that is sort of uh a a college subject if you go to a museum if you go to a library if you read a book if you go to a lecture if if you go to a festival and experience you know Indiana culture you're experiencing the humanities if you go to a community conversation where you're talking about local government democracy I mean we're kind of in a zone right now where people are thinking and really thinking about the Civic life of our state that's the humanities so the humanities are everywhere you just don't talk about it that way so um part of what I love about our work is we're in all 92 counties we give about grants we do programs we tell stories but we are really part of that essential cultural infrastructure of the state we are part of what makes cities great and we're part of what make people's lives awesome I love I mean that's so broad that I love it all 92 counties all these different things you're talking about reading a book to going to a museum all the fun uh fun activities the culture I love that piece well let's talk about let's rewind so you said 52 years old yes we're 52 years old birthday a few years ago there we go how long have you been with the org 16 years holy smoke okay so you have to clearly love what you're doing if you're going to stick for something for 16 years are you kidding absolutely and if you would have asked you know Kira in Middle School in Hamilton Indiana if I would be running a Humanities organization I'd be like what Hamilton is that uh North westish no no Northeast stuen County oh okay wrong side of the State stuben uh wait is it is that how you it oh yes stuben well that's cuz you're not stuben all right now I know my my anunciation there okay so 16 years with the org a couple different things I want to talk about first being what brought you to Indiana Humanities and and why did you feel like this was the right role for you I had been working in I'm a lawyer by training and I had been working in local government and one of the Cool Jobs I had at the city of Indianapolis I worked for mayor Bart Peterson at the time was what were you doing for him I was um Chief Council director of policy but I also had this really really cool like responsibility as part of my role at city government and that was to support the cultural development commission which was something that the mayor had had worked to uh create with Community Partners while he was in office the different CDC a different CDC I got you all right exactly and the purpose of that it was a public private partnership and the goal was to invest in the cultural infrastructure of the city so Indie is known as a great Sports town it's an awesome sport Sports town but it's also a great cultural community and so our my one of my jobs was to work with visit Indie downtown Indie um the Arts Council and lots of other Community Partners to elevate Indie as a cultural destination and to support that infrastructure and storytelling and so I already had um one toe in really working deeply in the cultural community and understanding how essential this work is to making Indiana a great place to live a great place to attract talent and a great place to grow and this is the thing I I have with culture right kind of madebe my beef is that it's so hard to quantify it's kind of like either you either know it or like you either have it or you don't really ex and it's like how are how are organizations measuring like you know mayor comes in and says we need to invest in culture it's like how do you even determine whether that was successful or not oh that was I mean I will give you a couple of examples at the time um again this was a huge partnership so this was not the city doing this work alone this was a deep deep partnership with lots of uh lots of players the public art program started at that time the Cultural District program started at the time and one of our commissioners of the cultural development commission was a guy named Brian Payne who came to us with an idea about a cultural Trail and so a lot of this work has all now you know fast forward 20 years later you can see how that investment in storytelling in culture has allowed us to grow as a convention City it's allowed us to grow as a tourism City it's allowed us to redefine ourselves in Central Indiana in so many ways and so that's one of the reasons why I was so passionate about going to Indiana Humanities when my time at the city was over I'm as much as I loved practicing law I was also just astonished at it wasn't just these kinds of exciting cultural Investments weren't just happening in Indiana Indianapolis and Central Indiana they're everywhere because again I'm from stank County I have spent a lot of time working Statewide and I know that there's so many more stories to tell and so much more excitement and creativity going on and and I thought working with Indiana Humanities would be a way to continue that it does seem like we have a a similar goal right of elevating these stories absolutely see wow there's some chemistry when thinking about like practically like let's take it from you know we we're here to increase the culture and Humanities in Indiana to like on a practical level where can we see the work you're doing out in our communities okay lots of ways quick example of something that happened a couple of weekends ago working with a couple of incredible Community Partners um Mitchell Douglas and Chantel Massie we put on the first ever proof literary Festival which was uh attended by hundreds and hundreds of hooers it had uh writing workshops it had speaker panels we had all kinds of space for independent bookstores to sell books because we are seeing a Renaissance of independent bookstores right now physical books are hot right now phys are hot writers are hot and Indiana is a sizzling hot place for authors right now okay wait do you have a few a few of your favorite book stores in Indianapolis well shout out to tomorrow books who was a big part of the partnership and loudmouth books um and also dream palace who are all kind of neighbors and super close friends are there any uh maybe Boutique bookstores around the state that we need to check out wild geese books in uh Franklin is amazing I'm so impressed seriously you just named four bookstore if someone would have put me on the spot and said what's your favorite bookstore I would have been like I I don't know I don't know I'm not I'm an audiobook guy so like what Barnes and Noble see this is a great this is a great thing you're going to see um we've got some uh information through our Indiana authors award program which I hope we can talk about soon that uh we've been profiling a lot of these local bookstores on our Indiana authors Awards Channel and on our Indiana Humanities uh channels and they are doing terrific work and what great anchors for communities what a great place for people to come together kind of like the original co-working spot right where it's like you got to I do think that's the one thing who was I talking to about someone from New York they were talking about how like in New York or in some of these bigger cities in Chicago it's like you go to like your corner coffee shop or bookstore and you just kind of hang out there cuz usually your your physical space that you live in is very small you want to get out of there corre and it's like in Indiana it's like we have pretty big spaces I have my living room and my whatever area my My Den that I can like read in or whatever and so like you don't really need to leave the house as much whereas in some of these more densely populated cities like bookstores are crucial like you think about the I mean this is like totally pop culture but like the the show Friends yes like they're like their living room is basically the coffee shop and they're always hanging out there and it's just like oh like these are anchors for communities between coffee shops and bookstores they are and they're Place places where people Collide they're learning they're welcome their places of belonging um I feel the same way about libraries we do tons of work in libraries and it's a a great way for you know again community building so you ask about like where else can you see our work you can see our work in all kinds of places so for example last night um we had a team of folks I was mentioning to you when we were chatting beforehand that I I was sad not to be able to go to the event up in South Bend last night because it would would have been a great uh a great Leaf peaking um moment on the way there but we had um an event last night with six small short films made by hoer uh filmmakers that were screened in Southbend we've been doing this film Tour all around the state featuring films by who your filmmakers about Indiana's natural places and we have discussions with the filmmakers afterward and again really cool way to bring people together what are a few of the places they're highlighting well um a couple of them are set in Gary one is set in um Bloomington one set in Evensville and then there's another one that was set in Westville Correctional Facility so oh yeah yeah that's up north right yeah right wow okay so wide R again wide range of topics but you know where you're going to see us is we have programs that feature authors we have lots of film based programs right now that we've been doing and well let's let's just dive into it right let's let's talk about like take me through like a program from start to finish how it works how how you guys then reach Hur and how you measure if it's successful or not yeah well let's go back to the the proof literary Festival because I think that's super tangible and something that maybe folks recently were able to experience so the way that project came about and again we fund a lot of prog through our grants that we give money we support folks but they go off and do their own thing this proof event was something we actually deeply collaborated on so the idea came from Community ambassadors that we've been working in two poets in the community came to us and said you know what Indie is so hot for literature right now we've got these bookstores we're you know there's so many writers that books coming out so much going on how can we sort of capitalize on that momentum and pull something together that can really Elevate that sector and really bring um a cool event to Indiana okay so driven first by the community they come and say we want to host this event this is the what was it the it was called proof proof and it was a literature Festival literary Festival a literary Festival I know doesn't that sound fun it sounds like I mean for the right for the right clientele like I don't know if I'm like the literary Festival offici andado but like but I I understand how that would be super cool like you know some people like music festivals some people like film festivals some people like you know multi-day sporting events the Olympics whatever like I totally get it um maybe not my cup of tea but like I understand how that's beneficial you might have really liked the open mic piece at the end oh okay that would be cool that would be fun was great um okay so so this Festival started by the community they come to you and you kind of partner together of like bring it to life was it entirely funded by Indiana Humanities we scrapped and raised money and supported it and absolutely um with with Partners we put together what were some of the big partners that you worked with to bring it to life well National Bank of Indianapolis was a great sponsor Penrod supported it and we worked with our friends at the Harrison Center for the Arts who also helped support us so it was um it was a it was a big it was a big tent but we did put a lot of our own resources doing it at the Harrison Center for the Arts and also we had satellite opportunities at local bookstores in the neighborhood that I mentioned earlier nice okay so then hundreds of hoers show up yep enjoy how long was the the entire Festival it was a day one full like8 to eight you know it heck yeah I love that people show up they enjoy they go through the different programming finishing off that like how did you determine whether it was successful or not well first of all we surveyed the heck out of folks this was the first time we're experimental so one of the reasons why I was excited to talk to you is you talk to a lot of entrepreneurs and we are a very entrepreneurial nonprofit organization we do not do the same thing year after year we respond to the needs of the community and we're always iterating so we had a lot of questions about this so we looked at things like not only attendance but how we satisfied were the um authors who showed up did it matter to them did they sell books how did the bookstores feel about the event what was the you know did this enhance visibility for the for the participants what did it mean to them as creatives to be there and what was it like for the for the audience and um we got rave reviews and in fact we're now trying to figure out how in the world you know we can top it next year so heck yeah I love that well you talk about right serving the needs of communities like from a culture and Humanity standpoint what are the big challenges you feel like uh I'm I'm going to go bigger than Indianapolis from a cultural and Humanity standpoint what are the big Alles Indiana's facing I am so glad you're bringing this up because I think again when you hear Indiana Humanities you might not realize we are addressing some of the most essential challenges that our state is facing TR this is candid right like I was like I don't really know like humanity is Art culture like cool question mark But like I'm I'm intrigued now absolutely and so think about think about what the atmosphere is like right now especially post covid what are some things that we're thinking about a lot as a community isolation absolutely we're thinking about the needs of lifelong Learners so right folks need to be able to to grow and live a full life and this is a big deal I think that's like a level of adulthood where you like kind of like a level of maturity where you realize like I've learned everything there is to learn and you're like no like and and it's like when you stop learning then you kind of like Plateau I feel like in a lot of aspects of life like I'm like so dedicated like one plus book a month like I'm an audiobook guy so don't don't give me but like I listen to at least I listen to at least one book a month and like I'm learning about something and then it's so fun to like take whatever I'm learning like for the month even like right now I'm reading a book called uh living with a seal it's a Jesse ller book and he lives with David gaggin for a month and David gogins is like a Navy SEAL Jack dude puts him through this workout and it's like I love going to like talking like in places like this like just sharing what you're learning it's like you might be reading something totally different on the other end of the spectrum but it's like talking about the thing that you're learning is fun and I like that's how I know I'm getting old but that's also part of the joy of learning something new sharing ideas connecting across something like that and that's an equalizer right so when you can bring people together around let's say a local history project or talking about a book you break down all kinds of other barriers and you can get to know somebody quickly you can help build a connection and it's sort of a it's an accelerator it's a relationship accelerator and I think that's a really cool thing yeah I think that like right now at Le from my perspective things that are really hot that are bringing people together it's like run clubs book clubs and a lot of times you see this in like faith-based org organizations right where churches have a small group or something like that but it's like you show up to a new city say you're not a runner it's like having this thing to go find your people your tribe like that's super important it is super important it's also important to like find your place when you get to you know like thinking about how do you feel like you belong in your community are you seeing like experiences and people and um ways to connect that feel right to you these are some of the ways that Humanities can play a role you mentioned book clubs we actually have a really cool free program for book club so can I do a little advertisement oh God yes absolutely tell me about this book club in Indiana okay well here it is so let's say you start your own book club and you're like yeah I've got this book club and I've got a group of people that are getting together we have a free lending library for book clubs we send you sets of books some are audio so again you're an audiobook Guy this is a thing for you we have some large type let's say it's a senior group and they need you know some accommodations with the visuals we send you these kits of books for free you read them and you send them back there you go just a set of books yeah I mean and like do you is all over the state could be any type of book we have a huge library in our basement of kits of books what are the kits or what's the number of people uh I think there's like maybe each kit has at least 20 oh wow oh yeah so I'm like our book club has like eight people in it that's okay we might have some books that you might get excited about and we would lend them to you so you have a book club kit where you will for free ship people yep kits of books for your next book club there you go that's an advertis how do we learn about it it's not even an adver that's just like a useful tip like you're want to start a book club here you go here you go and we have awesome people who run the program yeah if you send them an email and you're like hey H I think we want to read something like this do you have any recommendations huge thank you to our friends at Greeks Pizzeria since 1968 Greeks 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99 for me to buy it on Audible it was other people you know $9. 99 used Amazon paperback we had eight people do it I think that's like 90 bucks at least you know 100 bucks to make this book club come to life and it could very well be actually well I can't look it up right now but actually I might want to okay wait where do I go again Indiana humanties IND human. org Indiana Humanities dorg and then the program is called novel conversations novel conversations let's just see could we have saved $100 by doing a novel conversation I mean the river of Doubt is kind of a popular book let's see I don't know we have all kinds of books so but this is a great way to create access so again a big part of our programming is we want to make the humanities accessible for anyone so whether you can afford a book or not obviously you've got a local library who may be able to help you as an individual but for book clubs they often don't have large sets of books oh my gosh there's a million books on here there's a million books on there okay not on here all right well we didn't have that one but we might have another one but there's some like I just saw an Abraham Lincoln book and I was like cuz we were doing we were doing like a presidential one we could have easily picked one of those this is awesome holy smokes I love it well you were asking a little bit more about like questions or reasons that you know way ways we're addressing issues facing Indiana so we talked about lifelong learning we talked about isolation which I think is a big one we also help people connect across difference we have a lot of conversation programs where we bring people together around you know we have this one that we we love we just did a couple of weeks ago it's called chew on this and it's essentially a a Statewide dinner party that's schedu it's around a topic so this one was what's on our plate and it was about Indiana Agriculture and food and it was really cool and so we we grab restaurants around the state different it's all happening at the same time on the same night but the same conversation and we have a facilitator and you show up at the restaurant with your friends or with people you don't know so it's sort of a dining with strangers which is kind of awesome those are hot right now too yes totally hot right now and you sit down and you have a facilitated conversation over a meal which again great way to break down barriers and get to know people and get connected is over food and um one of the things we always do with those programs is we have someone there who's taking notes not saying Nate said this or Kira said that but capturing some of the essence of the conversation and then when it's over we share kind of the collective Statewide wisdom that was gleaned from the Statewide interesting to see how different the conversations Go in different places it's crazy um a few one of the last ones I was down in Evansville at our conversation and it was you know it kind of depends on who shows up and what their interests are but it can go in a wide variety of of of spaces there's actually a fun story so these are again those collisions so one of the things I think we all also help address is helping connect people because you know in the industry that you've been in a big part of it is what's your network how do you build a network how do you build trust how do you get to know people and these kind of events bring people together and build real relationships so you probably know Mike langelier I do know Mike okay if you asked Mike how he made his way to techpoint he will tell you a story about a chew on this we did a chew on this program this again this is dining with strangers program around the topic that we did was around the PanAm games I just had Milt Thompson on yesterday love it to talk about the PanAm games this is crazy all right so there you go connection 1987 the connection and PanAm games is actually one of the reasons I'm in Indianapolis too so that's another side story but we had the topic we had all these leaders from the PanAm games as our facilitators and restaurants all around the city Mike went to the one that Mark miles hosted and they made a connection and I think ultimately he can tell you the rest of the story but I think the rest is history cuz they didn't know each other then wow look at that two Indianapolis Business leader greates met at a chew on this talking about the PanAm games you know it I think that that's uh a piece that I hope to encourage people is like a lot of amazing things happen when you just show up oh show like find something find something cool that's semi-interesting like I I'm interested in history and I like I you know I I love sitting down with Milt he was the general counsel for the Pan American games in 1987 he talked about flying down and uh meeting with Fidel cast like it's crazy it's wild um but doesn't that change the way you think about like Indie and its trajectory like hearing that story about how that singular event and all those Scrappy folks who said yes we can totally do this it changed the way we thought about ourselves well when you think about topics that you guys are thinking for che on right so Indiana agriculture like I think that just like food like the United States food system is just questionable a little bit and I think there's a lot of people especially with Robert F Kennedy and like things like that like bringing to light like what's what are we really eating but what are these other topics that you feel like people are discussing around the state um whether it's at a chew on this or at different events and things you see oh gosh so many things but um one of my other favorite topics that we did was who belongs here it was a fascinating conversation because it brought together a lot of I think newcomers to our state you know people who are new to communities who wanted to be part of the conversation and people who were also looking at ways that their communities could be more welcoming and could be you know places where that aren't just great places for folks who you know like my family had been in the same town for five generations but for folks who were coming and new so that was a really great topic but you know again kind of back to some of the bigger issues we're we're tackling because I think you're leading into that we often work in themes because you know explaining the humanities took me way too long earlier so we just speak through our work and speak you know and and support our partners so the last few years the theme that we've been really investing in is an environmental theme we called the program Unearthed and it has been you know a series of programs from hikes and Cave you know we we have this program called campfires and your listeners may be really interested in this and and it's a seasonal program we've just wrapped it up but but stay tuned there's going to be some awesome opportunities next season Seas stay tuned next season yes stay tuned next season but we take people on Hikes and canoe trips and again uh through caves and all kinds of natural places in Indiana and while we're out there we read little pieces of either poetry or literature or even things that are written about that place from people long ago to really help connect us with the landscape that we're seeing the place why it's special and also getting to know people along the trail so you you get there you have a facilitator you walk a really cool either you know again canoe hike whatever you're up to and then at the end we sit around a campfire have a beer and talk about what we learned and talked about environmental stewardship so you know again those are some ways that we've explored the environmental theme but we the other themes we've explored in the past are food we did a huge huge program called food for thought that won our highest award nationally that was pretty cool our up are you guys a chapter of a National Organization no we get support from the National Endowment for the Humanities which is a federal agency but that's like about that's just a a fraction of the funding we receive cuz the rest of it I raise um and the raises we're out hustling like any other nonprofit okay because I've had a few nonprofit leaders on there and it's like man I want to I if I could write unlimited money to unlimited nonprofits I would send it all I feel like people usually find a few nonprofits of like organs that they really resonate with or that speak to them and they you know that's where they send most of their money when I think of something like so broad as Humanities how do you resonate with your you know donor base and how would I know where it's like cuz I think Humanities I'm like oh I don't I'm not interested in Humanities but now if we've talked about it I'm like oh wait I am interested in this and like ways that that my listeners might be interested or like already dipping their toe in or already like fully submerged in Humanities but like don't even know it so I'd like to talk about both of those what what is the current donor base like what are they interested in what type of people and then talk about like where people might be interested in Humanities when they not even know here in the heart of Indiana something unique is growing for Generations Sports have not just cap ated us they've ignited ideas and fueled Global Innovation and today we are wri the next chapter on the future of sports where technology is unlocking new insights on every play to the training ground where tomorrow's Champions are leveraging Advanced analytics to refine their Competitive Edge in Indiana we know that winners and losers are separated by just VES now we are pushing the limits of performance to New Height mastering the smallest details that define success the brightest minds are here pushing the world's best athletes forward and driving Innovation with unrivaled resources at sports Tech HQ we're turning what if into what's [Applause] next okay first questions first um donor base it's vast Broad and often tied to maybe a particular thing we do so you might be a super you know passionate history person and that is the part of our work that really resonates with you when we are able to support programs helping local communities tell their history or helping you know kind of uncover that or bringing bringing history history programs to communities but you also might be really interested in a topic or a program often it's programmatically based so if it's a corporation they're usually pretty geeky about a program so like proof the literary Festival easier sell for a corporation they can send people to it they can put their logo on stuff they can do things individual donors often just have been touched by our programs in a particular way they attended something that changed their life they you know have a particular passion for the work and so they support you know because this is something that's meant something to them philanthropy they understand sort of the role we play in the ecosystem without our grants without our team out there supporting telling stories making connections with these organizations a lot of the organizations we work with are small these are Scrappy small local organizations that really uh don't have sometimes a lot of other options for Grants than the ones that we offer and we are sometimes a great conduit for them to help them um grow and and prosper so foundations like to work with us because we work at the intersection of so many worlds and you know we view ourselves as in service to that community so we are here for them this isn't about us in fact most of the work that we do is really in support of and through other organizations okay so what does the grant process look like and what type of Grants are you giving out we give out a wide variety of Grants so one of the most popular grants is uh turns around every month it's called a Humanities action Grant so let's say you're in a community and you want to create uh an exhibit you want to bring in a speaker you want to do something you can call us um we'll talk you through the process you write up a a short online application and we'll let you know in a month if your program is successful needs to have a couple things one it has to be a public audience program so this has to be something not just for you and your buddies but for the community at large and it has to have some kind of humanities discipline at its core so you have to have some kind of humanities content obviously so interesting all right right let's do a hypothetical here so let's say there was this local podcaster and he wanted to do you know let's say over the course of the next year 2025 he wanted to pick six individual maybe cities around Indiana let's say Muny for instance right and wants to do something along the lines of like what's the history of the ball family everything in Delaware county is based around the ball family you know ball jars Ball State ball Hospital like everything's ball who are they what did they do and I'm like super intrigued by this but I haven't found the right partner that's like man someone need because obviously there's a thousand things I could be doing I'm really interested in the history side of things in the state is that like a program that like would work with you all I think it would absolutely so what we could do is you know if if you came up with a plan and you know again I don't make the decisions it's are competitive grants so AB I don't I don't have a MAG it's not I'm not saying it's me I'm just saying there's a podcaster that might be interested in the history of Indiana well there are and and I think those are the kind of things that we could totally support so it can be any kind of format so this is why I love podcasting right so many people are finding you know all kinds of uh areas of Interest online and through this so absolutely what are some of the other grants you've seen or some of the most creative maybe or unique or memorable one of the programs a few years ago that I think really kind of changed the organizations that collaborated on it do you know there's a steam Museum up in Northwest Indiana no it's called the hon Steam Museum and so the Cedar Lake historical Association and the hon Steam Museum came together as collaborators and they had this old Steamboat that they wanted to revive and they needed some resources to pull together some collaborative programming so they could take people out in this old Steamboat on Cedar Lake and tell the history of Cedar Lake and it was a super cool collaboration it's an amazing looking vessel so if you get online and you look at this cool Steamboat and what happened was it was open to the public and so all throughout the summer folks in the community could get on this Steamboat and go and learn about the history of their Town many of them didn't know the history of their town there were a couple of um stories that we heard of people who lived in that town who had never been on the lake and this was a way I think for the Steam Museum for the Historical Society to learn learn how to more deeply collaborate and because of that they got hundreds of thousands of dollars of additional grants and they've now been repeating that program every summer and it's been a great point of Pride for that community and it's something they can really build on continue to to help celebrate their community and and now it looks like trains like they have like uh they're all in the locomotive engines that's pretty slick okay the hon Steam Museum yeah that's Prett cool absolutely okay so and it starts to make sense like you're putting this like broad top and you're making it make sense to me in ways is the biggest way that you're impacting the state through grants I would say there are three things yep grants programs again sometimes we initiate sometimes we work in collaboration and then storytelling because we have a we've got a team right now that's just doing amazing creative storytelling work through all of our social channels so for those of those folks listening who are interested in you know Indiana Indiana culture and all the cool things that we're we're involved in um follow us uh Indiana Humanities dorg Indiana authors Awards is our other channel we we are the home of the Indiana authors Awards which is a really really cool honor every other year we uh have eight books that um or I'm sorry there are nine categories and so it's a book award so there are nine books that win uh every other year and we have two kind of specialty Awards and we um do a lot to uplift the short listers and also the winners and it's just a cool platform for people who want to follow along with Indiana writers what's the program that touches the most hooers the most are involved in um probably our grant program the grant program yeah we probably are able to to connect with connect a lot of the dots also actually that novel conversations program we hit a lot of dots on the map because of that because we got a lot of readers but I would say definitely the grants I think that seems like an easy way where it's like if you just got one book club Per County and you think of like you know 10 people it's like all 920 people have been affected by or been impacted by the work you're doing you bet I love that I want to go back to one of the questions that I worded super poorly right about you did great yeah well you're great right so when you're thinking about how the humanities touches everyone I don't think every day wake up like oh can't wait to you know talk about the humanities today and like before this conversation I was like I don't if you would have asked me like you know walking down the street like are you interested in Humanities I would have said no and it's like just because I don't really understand well I didn't understand now I'm like oh all of these things that make you human and that you know history and culture and y y y talk to like the listeners tie some loose SS together of like ways the humanities are impacting hooers every single day so I think a little bit about just even listening to your podcast and the things that you talk about and the way you're kind of weaving stories together and the way you're kind of celebrating local culture so anytime you're interacting again with local history let's say let's say you're walking you're taking a beautiful walk uh you're going to Brown County and you're seeing the leaves and you're walking down the street and you take a moment to read a historic blacka and you learn a little bit more about the building that's there that could be a regular thing that happens in your everyday life where you're encountering the humanities right like in the last uh we've been going for 40 minutes in the last 40 minutes I've realized that I love Humanities I love reading those you are 100% it the problem is the word we've got crappy branding I mean I think the word humanity is because it just does not resonate with seems very Shakespearean you know it but it is so not it is just the essence of I sometimes hear people say the humanities are things human make humans make and the things that make us human these are all like you have a deep conversation with someone where you're talking you're having that conversation with your book club members or you're telling somebody about an a thing that you learned or a person you met or an idea these are all about The Human Experience and that's really what the humanities are it's a study of The Human Experience wow we're all hurdling through the you know you know the Galaxy on this rock and this is about who we are why we're here what we're doing together and how we can make our world better it's everything right it's everything I'm sold I love it it's just not tight I got to work on the elevator well I think that that's just like branding from because it just seems like a very I mean it is an old style word right the humanity like I study the humity kind of a cool word too but it's all right we just need to make it cool again yeah got to make communities cool again I love it um okay well let's just talk about as we Bounce Around the state and think through uh you have some couple interesting initiatives coming up yes um um talk about how we can get plugged in well actually I want to like brief pause besides obviously you know fundraising end of the year tax prep all that fun stuff if you have some money that you want to send towards the the humanities we're always game for that what are other ways that individuals can get plugged into what y'all are doing okay so I've got a couple of things and I'm going to make sure I don't leave anything out first of all if you live in a town so I'm gonna can I do a quick backtrack absolutely so we were talking a little bit earlier that Indiana humanities often Works in themes because again our work is so wide ranging it's really awesome when we can focus in on a theme or a topic for a period of time and really go deep the theme we're going to be going deep on coming up is really Civics and democracy okay so if that's something that you're thinking okay well this is interesting wait wait let's make Civics and democracy young talk about how how do we make that sound Le like more interesting and not not that it's not interesting but like you know younger audience Civics and democracy seems like ah probably not for me like give me a little bit of an explanation there to me it's about community life being engaged in community life your listeners are active engaged people they're listening to you because they want to know what's going on and how to connect if you're doing that you're definitely engaged in the Civic life of the community it doesn't necessarily mean voting it means volunteering it means connecting it means knowing what's going on a good citizen paying attention absolutely like being an active Community member okay so like I believe okay so first you're like Civics and democracy I'm like probably not for me and then I'm like oh wait as we like dive into this similar with Humanities it's like oh that is me it yeah if you're invested in your community and you want it to be a better place that's it that's it I mean we're all we're all living in this community how do we make it better and how do we work together to make it better because that's a democratic process yeah so the the theme coming up is civics and democracy well we're going to call it something other than that but I'm the reason I'm raising it and just sort of putting a note in it is we actually have an opportunity that's coming up for communities fewer than 10,000 people so okay so if you live in a town that's smaller than 10,000 people and you want to host a Smithsonian exhibit so we have a partnership with the Smithsonian Museum out of Washington DC this is a big brand name this is a sexy brand name if you want to bring a cool exhibit to your community There's an opportunity to apply right now and the the exhibit's called voices and votes and it will also as part of hosting it you're going to have to create your own local component that tells your own local story of how citizens come together in your community to do good things and um these are very uh well done exhibits and it is a unique opportunity for your community to get a ton of resources and really shine wow so Community under 10,000 people yep that wants to bring this Smith the Smithsonian exhibit to their Community as well as tell their story exactly it's a really neat opportunity and again for those small town folks out there we'll make the we'll demystify the process call us up and we'll help you through uh the application it's pretty simple but um we've hosted some of these Smithsonian exhibits before we did a recent one on IND on waterways the exhibit was about waterways and we went to all these cool towns in Indiana that have great connections to water and water places and help them tell their stories and it was amazing one of my favorite pieces we were in um Tera hot and I didn't realize that um the river the the Wabash River there they used to um they used to harvest shells to make buttons and there was a big button factory there so like the community just learned all kinds of cool things about its waterways how they've worked how we've neglected them how we're now bringing them back and um again these are the ways that I think sometimes learning about your past can help you chart a better future quick pause in the action to tell you about my friends from hard truth this is my favorite bourbon in the state of Indiana I was down at the distillery in Nashville it is a place you have to check out this holiday season if you're looking for a getaway go down there get a spot at the cabin hang out at the restaurant The Distillery go on all the tours it is an amazing time as you're thinking about holiday holiday gifting go pick up a bottle of hard Truth at the nearest liquor store and and give that to the special someone in your life it is a gift that you definitely won't forget there's plenty of recipes and fun stuff that you can make with a bourbon as well I love what they have they have some amazing collabs with people like melon Camp whiskey Co heart truth has been an amazing partner of mine they were at the world Mixology Championship they were the bourbon of choice there their Journey over the past few years has been incredible to watch I'm a huge fan of hard truth and they've been a great supporter to us make sure you go check out hard truth now let's get back into it if you had to pick the ultimate Community to host this Smithsonian exhibit that's all about democracy right yeah it's going to be about civic participation Civic engagement and you know getting off your butts and making your communities better so yeah so if you had to pick City in Indiana to host it who would you pick oh my gosh I cannot you cannot make me do that because here's the thing we've got folks out there who are applying and I don't want them to think I've got my thumb on the scale but what we look for in the communities that want to host this is what are they going to do besides the exhibit right it's about how do you build like all kinds of extra programs and bring people together and who are your collaborators and how is this going to make um how is this going to sort of set your community on a trajectory to do other things based strictly on name I'm saying we're going to Union County and Liberty Indiana is hosting the Smithsonian you better be calling those folks in Liberty right now because that is so on brand if you live in Liberty Indiana you need to apply for this yes you do I love it okay um so so that's one big program what else you have coming up okay so the Indiana authors Awards um one of the cool things that we do after people are chosen the authors are chosen the books are chosen is we have essentially a speaker program and a a writing Workshop program so if you want to host one of those Indiana authors Awards winners you can apply to us and um we can then uh send those we we pay the authors to come to your place and connect with your community so sometimes those are schools who apply sometimes it's libraries sometimes it's Mayors um you know who want to bring I I brought a I brought a copy for you today of one of the books that was recently awarded the Indiana authors award it's a book called van Indianapolis by Ed fuwa speaking of a great follow on social follow Ed is Twitter uh he's on Twitter and he's on Instagram and he may be on I'm not on Facebook so I don't know I'm sure he's proba I think he's one that posts like all these old pictures of like stuff that's no longer there he is genius and it's U something I thought might be up your alley so I brought you a I brought a fuj AWA but if you want Ed to come to your community and give a talk about vanished Indianapolis um you can apply uh to the speakers program we have workshops we also have obviously grants all the time and we if you are a teacher and you're listening to this and um this we just have so many tributary programs that are small but I'm going to give a shout out to our poetry out loud program for teens it is a poetry recitation contest and we actually had the national award winner from Columbus Indiana two years ago who won the national poetry out loud competition we are looking for teachers in schools who want to host that and I understand you you hang out at school so maybe you need to tell those folks that Shar they need to be part of the Poetry out loud program poetry out loud baby let's go let's go I love that what else we got we also I'm thinking if you are getting ready to uh start putting together your holiday shopping list you should be be definitely putting those Indiana authors Awards short listers and winners on your list and we still um and then fairly soon I think in the next couple of weeks we'll be posting online all of the films that I was mentioning earlier the short films about Indiana's uh environment that will be online that you can stream and you can host watch parties in your own Community to do that so I love it yeah so want to support filmakers that's a cool thing too okay so so I mean holidays right around the corner what are your top three books by who's your authors to give out this holiday season so we just talked about Ed's book I think that's a win another really uh hot book from our Indiana authors Awards list is by Tess gunty who's from South Bend Indiana it's called rabbit hutch great work of fiction really help you understand um kind of the gritty history of South Bend and that area uh Through The Eyes of a young woman from that Community you know you can always go historic there's just tons of uh you know tons of Indiana uh writers that you can go back in the the Wayback machine if you want to give somebody a vaget or whatnot but uh but if you go on our website one of the things I love the most is that if when you start to scour the short list you can find something for everybody so there you go I love that we've come to some fun segments that I have as we kind of get towards the end of the show I like to ask some fun uh some fun question questions just kind of like we talk about what's going on around Indiana and so I have a couple unique ones for you just based around what you know my take on humanities and fun things like that so first question that we're going to dive into is we kind of just mentioned it for Indiana but just broad more broad what's a book that you think everyone should read at least once I love science fiction I remember getting off the bookmobile because my community was too small to have a library the bookmobile yeah wait can you describe I don't know what a bookmobile is the Oscar Meer Wier mobile it's almost that cool um yeah so so again I'm from a town of less than 2,000 and I'm in essentially I grew up in a what we call a library desert there just you know we didn't have access to a public library in my community but there was a an old school bus that was retrofitted with all kinds of books and they would come um puttering around during the summer and you could check out books from the bookmobile and that was one the Great Windows to the world for me as a small town kid and I loved every minute of it and the book that just I read over and over and over again was a wrinkle in time you and I've reread it over the course of my life and I think they're they're like old friends you know so it's like I hope you all find a book like that that you can revisit that can help you dream that can help you think about people and relationships but also something you can you can come back to so I love this and you're talking about like these rural communities someone who's been crushing it when it comes to like helping bring literacy to rural communities is Dolly Parton oh God she has been killing Her Imagination Library I think it just opened in IND right I'm pry sure it's happening and I think I'm not sure if we're at all so here's the Scoop so Nate if every county in Indiana gets like if they sign up and they do all the things that they're supposed to do allegedly then Dolly comes to your state really and so I know some people who are working on it and they're working really hard to make sure that every state has opted into the Imagination Library so Dolly will come wow okay wait we got to look through I'm looking through like 46504 that's Bourbon Indiana for anyone Marshall County mhm oh it is so it's not available in Marian County no Imagination Library in Marian County but Dolly Barton's Imagination Library is available in Northern Indiana which is sweet it's it's in many of the counties I just I don't the State Library runs that program so I'm not sure exactly the stats but it's super important that's so awesome and she's just crushing it like tot kudos to Dolly for for making that testable to all these real mean I grew up in a town with 1200 people right so I know what you're talking we did have a library thank goodness and we I always remember we had like the book fair and all stuff like that where they let you pick out a book and I was like who wants a book and now I'm like I wish I could pick out a book I know stickers and you got pizza and you got all the stuff or like when Pizza did book it oh booket is the thing I've worked with a lot of people that like I'm a tiny bit too old for book it but dang I would have cleaned up on that pizza oh yeah like you got every once a quarter it was like you could get a free pizza what what they do they the ultimate move by Pizza Hut like they give you this like tiny little pizza and like Mom and Dad got a split a $24 like whatever it's like ah they knew what they were doing but the kids are going to beg to go there okay as we continue down what's your favorite Indiana Landmark it's somewhat lacking in imagination but I do think the fact that our city here in Indianapolis is centered around a piece of public art is pretty dang cool so I would say you know let's look at the the sailors and solders soers and sailor Monument soldiers and sailor yeah there we go we get it all right that's a good one I mean it's but it's awesome right it's like it's iconic when you think of Indianapolis it's iconic a it is it is Iconic I remember the first time I like drove down like when I was like old enough to like kind of understand it I just like saw it I was like whoa that's pretty and the summer when like all the stuff is going like it looks it's fire what's a Humanities topic that you could talk about all day long books books yeah literature literature I love that I mean I do think that as I've gotten older I love books I love podcasts as well like I think podcasts and audio books are like my two you you know those are kind of like my source of entertainment mostly and I just think they are I love them I'm I'm a big fan of sole plug got my podcast of course I like podcasts um and if you could only recommend one Museum in Indiana what would it be I'm a big fan of the idle jorg and I think what they've recently done with their like main galleries is just extraordinary and I think it's Unique and I think it tells some incredible stories of indigenous people here and all over so I would say I'm team Idol Jor I think what the idle jorg is the largest collection of Native Native American artifacts west of the Mississippi or east of the Mississippi east of the Mississippi there you go east of the Mississippi correct that we had Jake Oakman good uh from White River State Park on he talked about the adle JG it's it's awesome it is it's a treasure and you know they not only have the great museum but they have so many other great cultural events again things we've supported through grants and other other pieces they've got their Indian market and lots of other things so go check it out if you haven't been there heck yeah all right so we've come to our younger year segment so this question is brought to you by our friends at our fellowship they're a great organization here in Indiana helping develop young Business Leaders across the state Kira what advice would you give to your 22-year-old self I would tell 22-year-old Cara to do a couple of things um one quit worrying about everything the things that I think I worried about and I obsessed about at that age were things that probably a week later I wasn't even thinking about so you know it funny out works like that it really is so I think those are the kind of things that I would say another thing is I remember I had some really unique early career opportunities to to do some extraordinary things and I was a first gen college student and I think there was just a certain amount of like how the world works that I just didn't get like asking you know like I worked with a bunch of really amazing people in my first job but then when I was getting ready to get an uh you know apply for clerkships when I was in law school I didn't even reach out to those people that I'd worked with in the previous job that i' done a great i' done great work for but I didn't like I didn't want to bother them and I was like oh I want to get this on my own and I'm not going to leverage my network and I realize now like the world's about relationships and I spend a ton of my time now and I I have for years you know if I speak to a group or I go out and I'm connecting with people I I give them my card and I really meet and I'm like let's sit down let's talk I love to get to know people I love to get to know their stories and I wish Kira at 22 would have understood that this relationship building and supporting each other is you know kind of the DNA I think of Indianapolis and I just um I just missed that memo yeah I think there is and you're from a small community like I do think from my experience it's like that wasn't super common you know like I grew up in a blueco collar family and it wasn't super common where it was like like networking right it was like Dad went to work worked in the factory and then came home and like that was just life and so you get down here and I remember saying like I think I wrote my freshman year of college it was like I want to work in small business like I didn't even know what startups were entrepreneurship I just knew I wanted to work in small business is what I called it and then it's like you get to Indianapolis and now you start to see all these different careers that don't exist or like maybe weren't as visible in rural Northern Indiana right where it's like oh now you get here and you're like oh I can like ask a friend or ask a mentor just open the door for whatever the thing is so I love that I think that is spectacular advice yeah yeah don't be afraid to ask for that advice because people are excited to give you know they're excited to be part of your story and part of your journey and I just didn't get that I mean like and I always say like think about it is Christmas like as again I keep saying this like the theme of the episode is as I get older but as I get older it's like I'm all like I want to give gifts like it's like I can get stuff and it's like I don't really care I don't really want it but like the I feel so good inside when I get to like give the gift to someone and they're like oh my gosh this is amazing and that's how people feel as long as you don't overuse it right that's how people feel about their Network their connections their relationship right where it's if they make an intro like I mean I've seen people make an intro for me and then they come on the podcast and they're like they feel so good cuz they got you know an awesome guest for Nate and I'm like yes you guys Crush it like thank you so much for making that happen and so I think that your network is a lot if you don't overuse it when you go and actually ask someone and they're able to like come through and help you out with the thing it's it's awesome you're giving them the you're giving them the ability to help like they're you're giving them the ability to be a good a good Civic leader you bet all right so now we have to our final three questions these are always the same we ask every guest that comes through here what's something the world needs to know about Indiana we are a place of great creativity and Innovation I think it is one of the probably stories that's not told enough I mean I think people think of us as a sports a sports state or an a state or Life Sciences or you know they may not realize that we are a state full of creators and innovators and people who care and I love that I love that that's a great one what's your favorite piece of Indiana history what's the best story you've read one of the things we did a few years ago that was super cool is um for the 100th anniversary of women's suffrage because like think about it women have only had the right to vote for 100 years a little over a 100 years we have so much we could talk about there but um we we supported a bunch of like learning and research and then programs into these amazing hooer women who fought for the right to vote who were national leaders in the right to vote and their stories had been lost so I think those are the kinds of things that get me up in the morning and get me excited there are so many you know amazing people who have done things in the past whose stories have not been told and that's a big part of what we do at Indiana Humanities we're part of those untold stories I love that here it is your moment to shine what is a Hidden Gem in Indiana small town is where I'm going to go here because I am betting that in the history of this podcast this has probably not been listed my hometown has a really important historic gem that is alive today alive and well so do you like to dance I love to dance okay we have a dance hall in our town called Cold Springs Resort and it was built in about 1919 I think and it was for a few years maybe a bowling alley in its early days but then it turned into a rocking dance hall and it is still basically what it looked like in 1920 it has these windows that flip open that Overlook the lake so the town that I grew up on is on a big lake and so This Cold Springs Resort dance hall is one of the coolest places to go hear live music and dance in the state of Indiana and if you're extra cool you find somebody who can drive you over to the dance on the boat and then you go get a basket at the old hotel you can get frog legs chicken fish one of those baskets and then you go whoop it up at the cold springs dance hall my parents fell in love there my daughter got married there last year oh no way and I'm telling you it is a it's a place this place looks sweet the Cold Springs Resort hotel or the Cold Springs Resort in Hamilton Indiana Hamilton Indiana wow no one has ever said this but I love it already I'm just like looking through it and I'm like incredible oh my God so cool and So like um in in the past you know they had a lot of big acts that would go through there again for a small town that was a big big source of Pride like beach boy sunny and share you know there's like some big big acts there but it was it's it's continuously operated since then which is kind of awesome uh looks like a great spot to host an event maybe uh maybe we get North and host something up in Hamilton wow you just let me know I'll hook you up that is a spectacular Hidden Gem like that's a true Hidden Gem it is true I can't wait to don't want it to be hidden anymore but I I will say they bring a crowd and it is and the dance floor is like that perfect wooden squeaky awesome you can dance all night and your feet don't hurt heck yeah I love it okay final question of the day who's a hooer that we need to keep on our radar someone who's doing big things I'm going to throw out since we talked a lot about writers I'm going to say you need to all brush up on the cool writers and people who are doing amazing things so Leah Johnson is um has a new book coming out black girl power and she she is also the owner of loudmouth books the bookstore we talked about earlier so go hang out see Leah see what she's doing she's a national talent and she's right here and she opened a bookstore in Indianapolis to try to make her community better to try to build community Through books and reading and she is hot author and awesome and super super committed to the community another fun writer that he does get a lot of ink but he deserves every bit of it is Maurice brus Maurice is actually a librarian by day and a middle school teacher at the Oaks Academy but he's also many of his books have just gotten picked up as potential films and his most recent Indiana authors War he writes a lot of middle-grade works so Kid book kids books and he is incredible and what a great Ambassador for the city so you should you should know Maurice heck yeah I love that I think that's in my future as writing a a children's book about Indiana I think that'd be fun it it would be really fun if there's any illustrators out there that want to illustrate a book about an Indiana children's book I in let's let's put that out okay I I think there's GNA be somebody listening because I'll tell you this with children's books illustration is a big part of it so you gotta be have a good collaborator I'm gonna put together like a fun story about you know a hooer that you know floats down the Wabash and then eats a pork tenderloin sandwich and makes it to the end and you know it would be great but then we need to get some great some great illustrations I think that's good but here's my question so you were obsessed with the tender line yes do you know Chef Neil Brown who's another great hooer Neil has said on multiple occasions I believe that the State sandwich should really be the BLT and so I just wanted to know what you think about that BLT versus tender line do you think it's even in the same league no to me no not at all why is the tender line so precious to you because it's so unique like BLTs I I guess I feel uh that those are everywhere like I think I don't know is like are BLTs not like around the I don't know I don't know I'm just saying he says this so I'm just curious I think that if you ask uh any random person in Texas and you're like have you ever had a they probably say yes it's like have you ever had a pork tenderloin like a breaded a breaded pork tenderloin like people in Oklahoma I was just talking to someone they were out there I was literally approached at the Fort Wayne Water conference I was up at the Indiana Rural Water fall conference and they said this lady comes up and I hear you're the tender guy and I'm like I don't know if I want that like but all right I guess I am yeah I'm the tenderloin guy and she says where do you think the best best tenderloin in Indiana is and I I'm like you this one I can't pick one there's so many good but I always say the biggest the biggest that I've ever seen is an edinberg Diner down um it's massive it's huge so it's too thin it's too whatever it's huge but as she talked about she goes she's from Kansas has been to Nebraska all through Illinois Missouri and like you know she tries tender it's her thing I was like maybe you're the tenderloin guy you know yeah and then she goes but I was out in Oklahoma and I asked them about a pork tenderloin and they said they'd never heard of it and I was like so I think that what makes the pork tenderloin uniquely Indiana it's like if you ask someone in Oklahoma where's the best BLT they're going to say who cares about the BLT but I know what it is if you don't even know what the sandwich is like that's that's something unique to have I think you've convinced me all right there we go so Neil Brown yeah Neil I mean he every once in a while he throws something out on social where he's like thinking it could be a you know it should be more of a thing because we're so good with tomatoes we've got a lot of pigs I don't know maybe that was his anle that's fair well if people want to get plugged into Indiana Humanities and and the work that you're doing uh where can they find you how can they support um yeah here's your little you have the mic tell us how to get plugged in excellent well please follow us on social because that's because we work Statewide and because we do such a wide variety of things as you've just learned the best way to keep up with us is on social we have a monthly newsletter so if you want to sign up for that you can do so on our website um we're active on Twitter we're active on I'm sorry X we're active on we still call it we still call it good I can't get that through my head um Instagram Facebook you know 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