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what's next on the horizon, the growth, the scale, the incredible building that's been built here in in the heart of Broadripple, and we're just going to talk about what they're doing to build this uh Broadripple resurgence. So, Ryan, welcome to Get In. Thanks for having me, Nate. Dude, I'm excited. So, this is the we're going to put it out on the on the table to start. Ryan's a cathedral guy.
I'm a chitaard guy, but today we are going to be friends as we get prepared for that the state run for wrestling. Everyone who listens knows that I kind of hint back to being a coach all the He's done a masterful job transforming the shitard wrestling program. I will say I appre that. Wow, that's big. That's big coming from those guys. One of the best teams ever this year.
Yeah, we're making it happen, man. So, you grew up like went to Cathedral, been a Broadripple Meridian Kesler guy. I haven't branched out very far. Yeah. I went to St. Luke, I went to Indiana, went to Cathedral.
So, I used to in the old days when the Monan was not developed, we used to jump off the rail tracks when we were we were kids and have dirt trails over here and everything. So, you haven't gone very far. which I I totally respect and I love that. So then you come back from IU come back to and was it the goal always to be an entrepreneur? I you know I had it in my family my one of my grandfathers was an entrepreneur and uh my dad was a corporate a young guy for 35 years and he didn't love it and he said you know if you got a passion for it you should go for it. So I started off in with the largest staffing company in the country called Allegis Group out of Indiana.
Um, I worked there for almost four years until I was 26. Got married and worked up in uh, St. Joe, Michigan for a couple years before moving back to Indianapolis. But I worked here out of college for two years at Keys on the Crossing and then moved up there for a couple years. All right. In staffing?
Y. So, were you on the recruiting side or the sales side? In our business, we start everybody off in recruiting. That's kind of the the mantra that that we build our business at. And and uh, I started recruiting environmental staffing uh, folks like oil spill cleanup folks. And then I moved into selling engineering.
So contract engineering, electrical, mechanical. And then that was the the dawn of the computing way 2K. So like computers were just coming on desks like when I was a junior in college. We didn't have we had the internet came out when I was a junior in college. So we were literally starting to put PCs on desk at that point. So that's how old I am.
Yeah. Well, and I think a lot uh now you guys focus on like healthcare with Metaurus and 81. Brooks division is primarily IT staffing and consulting for the Fortune 500. Um, Meta Source is more health IT staffing uh for all of the for 500 health systems nationally and calculate is all nonIT business staffing. So, accounting finance, legal, that kind of thing. Gotcha.
And I think uh we had a crew from NCW on not too long ago and they were kind of in like the they call them hammer swingers. They're in the business of staffing hammer swingers and this is like the the button pusher it type. This is kind of one off of Deuter Accenture. um if you will. It's kind of the highest rung of temp labor basically. So you think Kelly Services or manpower, we're like that, but we're at the on the technical side.
Okay. So it's all contract labor. And so you're you know you're living in St. Joe, Michigan and then you move back to Indianapolis to I mean you're married and you start your wife at the time work for Lily. So she uh we and I sold it staffing during Y2K to like Whirlpool and the nuclear plants up in uh the along the coast of uh of Southwest Michigan. It snowed like crazy.
we we didn't love it and she was we both were our numbers were both really good so she put in for transfer back to Indianapolis got it immediately and within within a month or two so I was like well instead of coming back to work for the company I'm going to start this business which was doing very similar things so if you think back to Y2K like you couldn't find anybody to do technology work so we were getting younger and younger my old company like pulling kids out of colleges and such to put PCs on desks image them etc And so nobody nobody could find anyone. So I was like, well, let's just do this full-time. So we just thought I we came back here and started hitting the colleges, started hitting the all the way down the high school level and pulling kids out of that working in Taco Bell, but they could build a PC from the ground up. They were making eight bucks an hour. We could pay them 15 bucks an hour, build a company's 30 bucks an hour when they are otherwise using Compact and Dell and HP who was building them $15, $175 an hour for the same the same labor and support.
This is to like build a build a we started as technical youth. Okay. So like we were doing internships and co-ops exclusively for the first two years. So we would go down IPY or Rose Holman Purdue and we pull someone out of their uh National Society of Black Engineers or Society of Women Engineers or whoever it was and and they all had the technical skills to build PCs. So we would take them and we put them into Lily or they were too big at the time but like a conco or a community hospitals of Indiana and instead of compact they would say we'd save them tons of money. You have to remember the frame was it was the Y2K bubble burst.
So everybody was losing their rears at the time. So this was a really nice costefficient solution and we had nothing to lose. So we didn't care about our margins as much so we kind of infiltrated that whole PC labor market at the time. Okay. So you're building you have you're finding these young young technical youth, right? Terrible name in retrospect, but whatever.
Yeah. And then you're going and finding the the corporate contracts to build like physically like assemble computers. Yeah. You know, unbox them, image them. Um you know, PE they would buy hardware directly from from Dell or whoever and then they Dell didn't have the folks to to install them. So So back in the day, they didn't just like come assembled.
You had to populate them with all the all the data from the companies, etc. , etc. So we did that. I mean we all we did other things like you know website design. So like front end you uh front-end designers people doing like simple as HTML. They needed folks like that.
We need computer operations where they're babysitting servers. The young younger generation that have they learned on computers like learned about this stuff. We're passionate about it and finding them uh corporate opportunities. They're always the most savvy. Right. I mean my kids are coming through.
They know way more about everything than I do. Well it all comes from like like AI right now. It's like, well, these kids are using it to like, you know, to game game whatever system. And so they're like coming out like, "Oh yeah, I know how to prompt engineer chat GPT to do my homework and make it look like it's" And I'm like, "Dude, you're crazy." 100%. Um, so you're you're going through there and that's two years.
It's technical youth. And then where does that kind of um start to you see you need to shift? I loved our folks. And so they're like, "You need to do a mid-level engineer. Can you do a a senior level uh Oracle database administrator or a network engineer?" And so we're like, "Yeah, we can."
So then we had to rebrand and so we launched a company at the time called Bright Source which is Broadle IT and Engineering Source. We ended up getting sued for that name because there was another Bright Source. We didn't get sued. We we threatened of it. So we had changed our name then to Brooks Source. And so at or around January of 2003, we we launched we launched what became Brooks Source.
So that did all middle tier and high-end technical support. So we still had a technical youth group that did kind of entry level and and junior folks. And then Brooks Source did mid and senior. So between those two groups, we could do anything within technology staffing. And how big was the team in those early years? I just it's our 25th anniversary.
So I just gave a speech on stage two weeks ago at our national conference. So in 2002, we had 11 employees. Pretty quick growth. So 600,000 in our first full year. We did a million3 in our second year in revs. Is that 11 employees including the No.
No. So it's 11 internal employees. Internal. Yeah. So we probably had another 25 or 30 consultants. Wow.
So who were who was like the O the OG team like first day your friend here Dan Hanhan was my first employee and he was unbelievable. It was unbelievable luck finding that guy. Um we found him at X420 at Kelly School when we were going down to look for techies and so we would go do resume reviews and and mock interviews and at the same time we had a really good beat on you know the whole undergraduate population at IU and Purdue and all these places. So, I was interviewing Dan at an X420 uh resume review one night. And I was like, "What are you doing after this?" He's like, "I got a couple offers for insurance.
We've got this and that." And I was like, "Hey, we got a little twoman shop." I was like, "It's in Broadle. It's on Broadle Avenue." I was like, "I don't know if you're into technology, but you know, we think we're going to make make it big one day." And he's like, "Let's do it."
So, that was a big moment for us. I mean, and Dan's just like the all-time hustler. He is. He's a one of the one of the most genius entrepreneurs in this in this city for sure. just like go go go like he he figures out a way. He's a tinkerer for sure.
Yeah. Which I think is is and I think that you guys have done a really good job if you if we like briefly flash forward to where 811 group is today. You have done a really good job of owning undergradu like people graduate college and like their first job and you like train them up to for us. So let's say you think of it we have 1100 internal employees now. Our average age still with 1100 employees is 27 years old. I mean I have some of my friends like a decent and they don't leave like they stay for a long so I bet like five 10 years ago that number was even lower.
Oh yeah. And I always ticked up a bit. Yeah. I would like talk to them. I'm like where are the adults? Partner is the oldest person in the company at 51 and I'm second oldest at 50.
So last year I think and then this I'm I'm setting myself up from an age discrimination case probably but uh last year we had 17 40 year olds in the company dude. Dude, I mean crazy. But the piece to that, right, is like to win with young talent is your training and development. 100%. So, we're all 100% organic growth. All our presidents started off as a recruiter.
Our three presidents, they all start off in the recruiting chair like my partner and I did. And everybody's come through has started off that way. And so we've all Well, you've never hired anyone like you've never had a Well, now that we have some a sprawling corporate um HQ, we certainly now we have some legal folks and some folks that have have not come organically, but as far as the field goes, yeah, they've all come up organically every So, everyone has started by by trying to get someone a butt in a seat staffing job. Yes. 100%. Dude, and was that like intentional?
You're like, you got to know what it feels like to do. I worked in my previous employer and I I emulated most of that and it's worked really well for us, too, man. And so you you get Dan as that first employee. You grow to 11 and do 600K in revenue year one like Yeah, Dan was great salesperson. Uh and S and I sold Carly Oakley. I don't know if you know her or not.
She was my second employee. So I mean we got so damn lucky with those first two employees and then they spawned all these other just amazing folks uh after that. So yeah, I mean numbers kind of took off. I split my territories. I gave Dan Caramel and then I would continue to sell downtown, east, west, south and then as people came up I would I would transition my territories out to different folks around and they all just hit they all hit it big and and you're doing super well there like things are starting to go. What was the first moment when you I mean kind of realized we got we have something here?
I think when you I I think at about 25 million revenue I think you're too big to kind of fail honestly like and we hit 250 is a whole another ball game. So, like you can lay people off and stuff at 25 million and still make it, but like as far as like making it and making it, I mean, when I got my first paycheck, it came to the PO box at Bacon Station Post Office and it said First Indian Bank and I opened it up and looking at that check, it was for $2,500 and I was like, "Okay, this business might might pop." So, like you're you your company is paying you a paycheck. We sell and we have a contractor working for us. Our first contractor, well, our second contractor, our first paying contractor was a guy named Dan Simon at First Indiana Bank, which became and they were the first person. So, I opened a PO box at Bacon Station over here, and that's what we used.
And so, I would go there every day just to collect whatever, you know, free pens and stuff that were getting solicited at the time. And then the first paycheck came, I was like, "Okay." I was like, "We got we're getting checks." Oh, like, yeah, you're getting we got cash. Oh, this is like back before back before like Stripe or like automatic payments. You're getting I mean you got we still have 20% that pay by hard check.
No way. Still don't a Yeah. 20%. So I think how it works and I'm not totally sure but it's like you put someone in there and they're paying you like a bi-weekly paycheck or whatever and you're paying your weekly payroll. Yeah. Okay.
Our weekly payroll is $10 million now. You have $10 million. It's probably closer to 12 actually that's withdrawn from your like in that huge numbers and that's crazy man. And you think about cash flow of like like let's say if your payroll process is on Thursday but you get a hard check on Friday doesn't get deposed till Monday like there's some there's some float there. Yeah dude that is and I So how many employees get a paycheck? 15,000 hourly contractors last year plus another 1100 internal staff correct 16,000 people are getting a paycheck.
So like first the first kind of like wow we've got something here moment is you get the first uh first internet bank. It was First Indiana. First Indiana bank. Boom. You got Okay, we have something. We had some cash flow.
That's a good feeling as a business. Then, you know, you're advancing 11 employees. You got a real team. That's awesome. Y um and then where does like this exponential growth start to come through? So, I had a friend that I worked with in the old days that got laid off through the Y2K bubble and he called me out of Michigan.
His name was Jonathan Eldridge. In fact, he he just retired last week uh after 23 years. But our first retiree. Yeah. So, it was exciting moment. Yeah.
That was great. So he called me and he's like, "Hey, I'm I'm down on my luck. I'd love to start Technical Youth in Michigan. I don't know. We don't have much cash flow. Back to cash flow."
So we flipped a coin and he worked out of his house for three or four months. We got a little 400 foot office in Novi, Michigan. And we we we started selling in Detroit. And he was great. I knew he was a known quantity and he did pretty well and and grew it. Um at the same time, Dan Hanner Hano just spoke about was kind of getting his oats to go out and expand too.
And so he wanted to go to Cincinnati for no other reason than he loved the Cincinnati Reds. So he That's the most Dan thing, right? I really like the Reds. Can I go? Yeah. He's like, "Why C?"
He's like, "Man, I'm a big Reds fan." I was like, "Okay, Dan, whatever. Whatever you want, honestly. You're you're you're a stud. You do you." And it's like you could just send and I don't Who's the first guy that just retired?
Jonathan Eldridge. Jonathan Eldrich. Like I have to imagine you start a market. It's just you. Like you got to have just some entrepreneur chops, right? To like go move to Cincinnati or go into Michigan.
on a pretty unknown company. You know, we were we were not on the scene yet at the time. So, it was it took a lot of risk for both those guys. What's the training or equipment like? What do you send them out into the field with? You're like, "Hey, soldier, go make it happen."
A PC and a that we had a little purple book that itemized all the CIOS and technology officers for all the all the companies across the country. And we basically were just out of a basically IT phone book and we would just cold call basically and then and had these I mean our marketing was so so ass. It was it was like Microsoft Publisher and I was doing a lot of the marketing and sending them out and they were just I mean it was terrible. But in our business you buy from people. It's not like a brand. It's not like you're selling uh pharmaceuticals or dishwashers.
You're selling yourself and so they're buying from the person across the table. So Lily for instance or whoever they don't work with just one firm. No. Right. No. They've got monster monster vendor list.
You you get like an atbat. So it's like you're selling them to give you the atbat. Then you got to go fill it with someone that is going to do a good job at the role. No question. Yeah, it's a it's a lot of moving parts and everybody thinks they're worth different things. Their wives think they're worth different things.
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Because it is at at the the core of the business. It is get new companies to give you job wrecks, fill the job wrecks, make a margin in there. Well, it sounds cliche, but it's it's obviously culture. I mean, you know, you you make it fun, you make people enjoy their jobs, that that usually trans transferable to actually going out and selling. They they see somebody that likes their job and they'll they're more apt to buy from them. I mean, you guys do at least the Meta I know the Metaurce culture very very well.
Like, I have a bunch of friends that work there. Dude, they they love each they're friends. Yeah, they're all friends. It's been amazing. I was the best man in K Jones and Maha Rosco's wedding. Yeah, they have a baby, right?
They Yeah. Coming soon. I think in the next couple months. I just remember there's like half of it's we're we're crew. So it's like half the room is Depal, half the the room is Metasaurs. And it was so much fun.
Like they legitimately are best friends and not because they're forced to because they like to hang out and the culture is just so good there. We really we spent a lot of time and effort fostering that though. I mean we like next week we're taking 770 people to Cancun. um our top uh third or fourth percent of our our producers well with plus one. So like we we've done that for this will be our 23rd year doing a reward trip. So like so you started a rewards trip this would have been early on then all of our company at the time which was well all of our salespeople at the time which was six of us to Jamaica uh to sandals it was like I don't know all in like five grand for the whole the whole company trip.
Now it's like god knows what, multiple millions. But uh yeah, so we started doing that early and we're like, you know, you selling if you're selling for us, we're going to take you. And then it was like, well, you got to qualify. And now it's like our qualification is through the roof and it's people are still hitting it. So it's been Yeah, that's been a really that's an interesting thing or I think a really cool thing. You talk about culture because I've seen the pictures and the videos like I mean I'll just like put it out there like Mount Joy is performing.
Yeah, that was a that was a splurge. That was that was a splurge. That was that was after 2022 when we had we we grew 80% that year. So take me through the iterations then of like you're doing well you know you hit a million in a couple years and that's like a big milestone and then you say you get to 25 million. How many years did it take you to get to there in revenue? Probably your sevenish or eightish somewhere around there.
And I think a lot of people forget like seven years of doing anything. Yeah. Like I haven't like I I haven't been in the workforce for seven years. Right. like like people are like you got to put in a lot of effort and then you get and you're like okay we're we're big enough now at 25 where like you can't you can mess it up like you maybe not grow as much but you're not going to go to zero tomorrow. I don't right you can you can scramble and survive.
Yeah. So then you hit that seven years in and then you said getting from like to 10x from there. How long would it take to get to 250? We're in 35 states now. You know they just started we started following people. So we started um Detroit then we started Cincinnati.
Then we started Louisville. Then we started Chicago. started Philadelphia, we we chased people at the time. We had no business in those cities. So, we were just like, "Hey, where do you want to go? What do you want to do?
We trust you. We believe in you. We're going to fund this." And then when we got big enough and we started becoming a regional player, we started to get bigger and bigger companies. Like, so for Amazon, for instance, we're doing all the Amazon data centers nationally. So, we got that out of Seattle.
Our biggest our biggest um opportunities are in Washington DC. They're building the largest data center in the in the country in Washington DC right now. So like that's those kind of like we would have never known about that unless we were in Seattle. So it just those those kind of opportunities kind of started to spawn each other and um it kind of took off from there really through the pandemic, right? Like if we fast forward like things are going well. You guys had that office up kind of like Keystone at the Crossing area up around there.
Then like I mean pandemic hits and from what I've researched and seen like things went very very well through that time. I mean we stumbled on to contact tracing business. So, we were tracking little Johnny's and K through 12s and if someone got sick, we had to call the classes and a lot of more manual clerical stuff, but it ended up being about hund00 million in business for us during that time. Um, so we that really got us through a little down tick in the other in the in the our regular static business that got us through when when some of the stuff fell off. The other unintended consequence of COVID was it made everybody remote. So we would often struggle to get like a a senior technical developer to like Louisville, Kentucky to Humanana like they lived in in San Jose or something.
They were um Silicon Valley guy for instance. So now when COVID happens, all these IT groups all became remote and so we could we could have a guy that was in in Phoenix, Arizona work in uh Jacksonville, Florida for you know, one of our clients down there. And so that really opened up a lot of opportunities for our tech community. And you said 80% growth. everybody, you know, it was funny money and it was all Fed money ba basically which is why we have such horrible inflation inflation now and we were too big to get any of the PPP money. So we kind of back backdoored our way into you know getting some of that Fed money but we were doing the work on the back side of that.
We did like the for instance we got like a $20 million contract with the city of Las Vegas. We did all all of Las Vegas, Clark County's K through 12 schools in the entire in the entire county. And you're staffing the contact tracers? Yeah, in that in that case now that all went away. We knew that was a cliff. And so we also lost 100 million in 2023.
Yeah. And that's hard for forecasting where you're like Yeah. It was it was our first negative year ever. We we we've had we had positive for 23 years and then in 23 um we lost 13%. So we were like, "Oh boy." But we knew it was a cliff.
But we we grew 40% and 80% in 21 and 22. And I think that those are big businesses already at that point. Like that's a huge How long have you been planning the the new development here uh in the new office? We were up at Keystone the Crossing and we were in um we were in two different buildings but two two different floors. So everybody's running around everywhere and we're like let's do this. Let's get under one roof.
And so we're like where to do it. We looked at a couple buying one. We're the Duke building was getting ready to go for sale there at Keystone and we're like you know let's let's build what the hell. And so we decided to come back to our roots here and um we found four plots of old hair salons over here and we built this this five-story beautiful building. And so it's been it's been awesome. Um we've got an awesome rooftop overlooking the city and um it's we have a 100 person worldass training center and then we have really four floors, three and a half floors of of we have a metaource floor, a Brooks source floor and a basically a corporate floor uh which will soon outgrow.
So hope we might be building on this very spot here in a couple short years. So I know. So for those that don't know, I do have I am in one of their auxiliary buildings on the campus and I I do remember one of like the the opening things was Yeah. But just so you know, like there might be a time where we like you got to get out of here, you know, it's it's good to meet a couple notice. Yeah. Right.
But I mean I mean you guys have kind of then you personally have been just a pillar in Broadripple and have really invested into this community specifically. Yeah. you know, the older I get, it's more of a community service uh thing for me, like purpose-wise. Like, our businesses are doing great. And uh I don't know, it's been I I care about this area. I care about Indianapolis, first of all.
I love the state. I love the city. Um and then certainly, this is a little microcosm of of Indianapolis that we can really make an impact on. So, we've got some big plans for Broadiple coming up. Uh we have 300 a little little more than 300 employees next door. We need to probably double that in the next five five years.
So, we're going to be out of HQ2 right here. We just we're bu we're buying the Vogue parking lot, I think Friday or a week from Monday. The big one that's out back. Yeah, we're going to put a four-story parking garage right here. Do you hire the towing company? Is that not yet?
Who works? Cuz whoever they are, dude, they go they go crazy. Last Friday, I saw them. I think there was a show or something Thursday night. Friday, dude. Two tow trucks in there just ripping cars out.
I haven't understand the pace of that cuz they never towed there for years and years. No. And randomly one day, they never towed. Like they were just like pretty chill. And it was a free lot. Yeah.
Right. And then the signs go up. It's like five bucks or whatever it is. And they started ripping. And one day I I can't make this up. I saw someone getting towed.
And I took a picture and put it on my Instagram story. And I was like, man, that's going to make a tough Friday. I paid for parking. I misspelled one character on my license plate. Towed my Same night. Oh jeez.
And I was like literally karma. I posted this about someone else's Friday being bad and I got towed. I don't know what the income numbers are for the the actual parking, so I'll be able to tell you in in a few weeks, but um I don't know how rigid we're going to be with that. I mean, the plan is to get going on this sometime before the end of the year. So, I have a whole video. It got like 250,000 views about me getting towed out of there and they're like, "Yeah, don't don't park there.
Don't like everyone." Um, so parking garage. Yep. To is that more for employee parking? We have some We're in the Hopcat building. We have about 150 spots rented.
We rent another 100 from uh the Vogue and we have 62 spots below our building here. That doesn't really satisfy even our current workforce cars. So, we're going to put about 363 parking spots here in a garage and then we'll probably still use some of the Hopcat. That'll really relieve a lot of our stress on our parking situation. And so, the plan is to continue to build the campus, your HQ2 here and really invest in the section. There's also I mean I think you're involved with the OPT and a few other places.
Yeah, we had a couple well indirectly we owned a couple buildings. We we thought we were going to have to build a parking over OPT building. So, we were going to demolish it on and build parking there and then we found some remedies. So, yes, we indirectly own the OPTs building and we'll own these beef shops here now that come with this this Vogue parking lot. Not sure what's going to go on with that yet, but I know all the, you know, I know all the all the business owners here. We've we've got a lot of passion for Broadle, so all the bar and restaurant owners.
Um, we have kind of a vision to make Broadable kind of like a baby Broadway like Nashville, you know? Let's get the So, we got I'm pretty sure we think Clayton Anderson is going to put a honky tonk in in the mineshaft. They're they're going to convert that the mineshaft to Clayton Anderson's uh I think he's going to call it ripple rodeia or something. I don't know. All right. Wait, wait, before we get Maybe you are.
That's already in motion. Break it. No, no. I love that. I think that's sick. I I want to have the Who's Your Honky Tonk.
Oh, yeah. Well, let's do it. Let's make Let's like get some some pieces going together. Do you think there's any dueling dueling honky tonk bars on Nashville in Nashville Broadway? Let's have some dueling bars. The Who's Your Honky Tonk.
All right. I think that is a f like I have always dreamed of that because I love country music. I'm a big country music guy. There's nowhere to listen to it. There's Dukes on the Southside, but that's like no covers. Then there's 8 Second Saloon and like that's a whole experience.
Well, Clayton's biggest asset is he's tied into the Nashville country scene. So, he's got they're going to probably put another one downtown um where the old um Hard Rock Cafe is now. Is it just CL? Who's he linking up with? Wentland who owns Opts and owns uh Out Rock Lobster, Mineshaft, and Average Joe's. That's kind of his group and he's got another group with a a couple other investors in that, but he's kind of taken the pride on that side of the street on top of O.
So, he's he's he also owns Main Street up on 96th Street. He's a good he's a good operator. Um, so he's going to he's going to work on that stuff. Who's the quarter? Michael Cranfield really is kind of the the brains behind it. I shouldn't say that because John, sorry, but uh he's he's the he's the operator.
He also owns Chelita. Yeah. So Cholita and and Quarter are owned by the same same guys cuz I mean obviously it's no surprise to anyone like Broad's had a little bit of a rough go. Like I moved here in 2019 and it used to be the right it was vibrant. So we had COVID right then 2020 and before CO was happening they were going to redo all of the sewers on Broad Avenue because they hadn't been redone since 1950. So when it rained like tenants would actually get sewage in their in their on their storefronts.
COVID hits, they put everything on pause. This project goes on pause. They come back after COVID and they dig into the into the road and they figure out they didn't even the city didn't know this somehow, but all the railroad ties it the rail the rail trails were buried under the under the actual concrete. So when they went down and they had to go dig up all of the actual rail ties on Broadup Avenue to get into the to to redo all the sewers and the water. So that that took that took another year year and a half project. So brought up was down for about two and a half years and during that time it was fenced up.
It brought in some riff raff and brought in you know the bars started to struggle so they brought in promoters. Promoters brought in some some bad citizens and we had a murder in uh 2022 and that was super uncommon but for whatever reason gets a ton of press ton of I mean from everywhere from caramel like everyone always talks about brought up primarily because a lot of people grew up here and as soon as that happened man it just got a black eye. At the same time, Caramel's emerging, Massab was was popping. And so, a lot of that traffic went elsewhere. I will tell you now, it is completely clean, completely safe, and all we have to do is repopulate it. We're going to do that with all these new bars and restaurants that are going to be coming to the strip.
That is the one thing, too. I think this is 2019. I graduate college, and it was like hour long waits outside of all the bars. Like the line from Piano Bar would go around down and everywhere. Like, it was it was crazy. And we would like come out of there, stumble out of there, walk home like a mile.
like it was no big deal. Then like obviously it starts to look more like a like you have the fences everywhere, cop cars, like it looks like a war zone and people and then obviously bad things happen. I would go out to to protect the peace to see what was going on. I was you know we we went down and talked to the city. We're like we need more police here. But it was just cuz you know this Brderal Avenue if nothing else is defined as a as a one of the main thoroughfare cross streets that you can get across White River.
Like you if you don't cross here you got to go all the way up to 86th Street. You got to go all the way down to Kesler. So I mean as a and coming and coming through Westfield it's a main thoroughfare. So what you know it brings that we need that that conduit through the through the city and that and that brings you know this the stagnant when it was closed down was just you know as a cesspool. So, and I think a lot of people were like, let's close down Broadav and make it a walking street only. And it's like in in theory, great idea, but in logistics, horrible idea.
Like you think Kesler's tough now. Like imagine with no Broadripple like AB through street there. Good question. It would be it would be really really hard. Now could you make the side like the north south streets or something? Like there's some stuff you could do like Carolton's.
Yeah. Like I mean and I think they did a little bit. I'm think trying to think through co like some of that Well, they took them down to one line. It used to be two lanes, so they've taken it down to one lane, which I don't love, but you know, it's at least it's at least it's still throughput. So, you know, and I wasn't that when people were talking about Broadripple High School becoming the site for the Indie 11. We were going to buy that and then make that our headquarters and we could never get Hoget to bite on it because it was um it's bonded as education and then or saw Omir was going to make that the N1 again.
They had the same problem with the educational bonding. What does that mean? did they $30 million bond that was given by the city but it's only directed to educational purposes. So to to re repurpose that it was you had to have the mayor really just go to bat for it and he's like I'm not going to mess with it. It's IPS. He's like that's a big constituency.
I don't want to mess with it. So it's become now two schools. It's Broadway Middle School and Purdue Polytenic. Um which is you know it's seem to be working. Yeah. And I would say I think that uh because Purdue Polytechnic is growing.
Um they were in that is it now a monastery or whatever and now it's they've kind of expanded a little bit which is good. Um it's good to see that maybe they put new turf down on the football field like things are popping over there which is wrest at least one. Polytechnic I think they have one at least one which is good. You love to see that. Here we go. Yeah.
So then when you think about Broadripple and I mean I would say you are an influential figure around Indianapolis but especially around Broadripple right. Uh what were the big conversations that were you were hearing in your circles of like, hey, there's something broken here and we have to fix it. I was playing the long game with the roads and uh you know the the murder was a was a a big problem. Like we'd never had any murders here like in 70ome years. So that was a big deal. I mean if you talk to the IMPD we are the most safe entertainment district in all of the city.
It includes all of Marian County. that includes Massav downtown anywhere or the by far the safest anywhere. So, you know, I I knew it was going to come back around. Um I didn't know that we were going to have to totally repopulate it. So, we've been really reaching out to the Butler folks and we put a little Butler Bulldog out here on on the side of our OPT's building for selfies reasons and we're going to start marking. We'll get the people back.
You know, there is sprawl. I mean, Caramel, I mean Fisers, I mean, you go up to Caramel and Midtown Caramel is I hate to say it, but it's awesome. It is. But we have some old school folks around here. I mean, you think of the demographics of Bradapool. It's sandwiched by a very affluent Williams Creek, Ming Meridian Hills area.
On the south, we get Butler, Tarkington, Midian Kesler, and then we have Sobra, which are all new new families, all newlyweds and and such. So, it's it's really protected by a good nucleus of folks that's not going to go anywhere. Um, just kind of old school Indianapolis folks and they they've grown up around here and they just don't really move. I mean, myself included. So, I think that we're going to be pretty insulated. We just got to get folks from elsewhere in town to and what ways are like whether it's BRVA or whoever the powers that be are how are they thinking about getting people back into Broadle?
Well, we're going to do some marketing. I mean, ultimately, I mean, you it's as simple as beer specials, you know, to to Butler. Uh yeah, that's how you get those kids back. I mean, yeah. So, we're we're lacking um a couple things right now. One, we need um we need a couple casual dining or couple uh fine dining.
So, we need a steakhouse or Asian fusion. I've been working on I've been trying to get Cunningham or Craig Hughes to put something here. They've been really uh hesitant on that, but we have some a couple things that are brewing out there. Um, we've got the new Gershman five-story uh office building here has a really a very nice rough in fast casual. He's got some some good prospects in there and we'll have some folks coming in restaurantwise. Now, Redible's always been known for boutiques.
The boutique world has just kind of been crushed by the Amazon world. So, um, that used to define us, you know, the bookstores and and the bridal shops and those kind of things. So, those those have kind of come and gone. But, um, the bars and restaurants and the arts. So, who's the longest tenur like thing in broad? What is the longest tenure thing?
Kimmels. Kimmel. Kimmels. Yes. I like I walk by there and I'm like, how are they in business? Who?
Shoe repair. It's a shoe repair shop. Who's getting their shoes repaired? Yeah. That's been there for God. I mean, my grandfather, who's been dead for what, 15, 20 years, used to go there.
Um, there used to be a place next door called Ted's Barber Shop. The place next to that was Sasha's Watch Repair, and the place next to that was Hardwick's Pipe and Tobacco. And the people that own that building are like 93. She lives in uh uh Finkelestein's live in Vegas. So, that's that building. We need to work on that building.
That's Yeah, I was going to say like that's the one like the facade of it facing Broadway. Is this like your My my goal was really Broadle Avenue. I said there's stuff in behind it like Mount Nadis throw a beautiful restaurant in the backside there. We've got our old school stuff like Connors and and Canal Beastro off off the canal. But if we can protect Broadiple Avenue, I think we're going to be in good shape. Yeah.
And the rest of that's going to going to grow. The biggest thing that Broadripple is missing right now, fine dining, parking, parking. Yes. Yeah. Anything else? Um those are the big two.
We're working on the arts. It's like I don't know if you know this yet, but we're putting a um a humongous it just got approved, but we're putting a 50 foot 70 foot um sculpture at the corner of Broadup Avenue in College. It's called Gavin at illuminates. It's going to it's it's really big. Tag Burge, the guys from uh Burge and Held um have have come in and they've been really focusing on the arts here, too. So, we Who's making the sculpt?
Where is the sculpture at? It's coming out of Florida uh out of Miami. Some sculpture out of Miami. It's I'll I'll have to show you the picture of it. with this. But it's it's massive.
Yeah, it's mass. It illuminates at night. It's it you you'll be able to see it as far north as park probably. Um so yeah, it's it should be interesting. So we we need some arts here, too. We need some other things besides getting hammered every night, right?
I mean, we need reasons to come. Bring your dog here, you know, bring your bring your babies here. I used to I lived on Nar Waldo where I started my company and I used to push my kids in and pull them by wagon to, you know, Einstein bagels in the morning or we go get breakfast somewhere. Like we need more of that kind of traffic. Yeah. And I I always say like the sob bro vibe of like you go to the bulldog and it's good food.
You go to Half Liter and it's like that like locallyowned kind of food and I don't know I feel like Broadav could use like Cholita is a really good spot right and it's like you know I like Brothers I like Kilroy but it's like you know what you're getting there and it's a chain and this that thing versus if it was like half liter right here on the Monan like up here. Oh y it be like we need our version of Rascaler. One thing I'm working on, the guy that owns King Jug, which is the new real hot space in Fisers, and he's also building one in on Noblesville, but they brew all their beer behind Old Pro's table. Like we have he has a million dollars in brewing equipment uh behind the old pros table and they brew 50 barrels a week out of right here on Broadup Avenue that nobody even knows about. So, and they don't have a spot on Broad Avenue. So, that's that's coming.
That's coming as well. So, that's up our sleeve. That would be cool. So, that would be super cool. Like live music spot again. Clayton, I'm going to DM you, but we're going to do it.
the who's your hockey talk coming. I'm not supposed to say that yet, but uh here it is. So, yeah, you know what they gonna do. Cool, man. All right, we're getting down to the end of the show. Uh I do have a couple like fun things that I looked up.
Did you uh once held a basement office day? Well, I mean, I I worked in my basement to start. Yeah. Well, did you like I I feel like we looked up somewhere and it was like, "Hey, we're going we're we want people to remember the beginnings." So, we held a basement office day. No, I I don't know.
That's probably That's probably lore. Oh, is it lore? Okay, that's fair. What's your go-to spot when you're hanging out here in Broad? Like where are you spending your time at for breakfast? It's definitely the Alleycat.
They have one of the the top secret awesome breakfasts in town. Steak and eggs, biscuits and gravy. Opens at 7. Yeah, the new the new Alleyat. Yeah, they call it the Pretty Kitty. The old Alleycat is the shitty kitty.
And so they open another side and they've they've really it's amazing. Opens at 7. Uh yeah, tell your tell your people for breakfast. Steak and eggs. Steak and eggs. Concaides concaid steaks.
Yeah. Uh yeah. So it's Yeah. It's a and a hell of a steak deal. Broadle taverns close enough to us. So creature of of ease.
Um most of my my employees roll over there after work for a cold one. So I find myself there more times than not. That's fair. Same. It's like right across the parking lot. Not too bad there.
What's a piece of advice that you got from an entrepreneur that has stuck with you till today? You don't have to do it fast. It's going to take care of itself. Don't hurry. Don't hurry into it. don't kind of wish it away.
Like one of my best role models was a guy named Dave Lindseay that started Defender Direct and he he rushed a company up to 550 million from his kitchen and uh when I was coming up and he was like has like take your time. He's like I'm I'm already out. I'm going to sell my business and I've got nothing else to do. He's like enjoy enjoy enjoy the ride. Basically the evolution of 811 Group right when you go from you're spinning up territories and handing them off to salespeople. What's taking up most of your mental capacity these days when you think about the company?
Protecting it. Don't get sued. Don't do class don't have class actions. Don't let AI destroy you. I mean, what what keeps you up at night? Protecting what you got at this point.
Making sure we have all our legal channels making sure that if we have federal business that we're in compliance. Um, just stuff that's not that much fun anymore, but that things that make you worry as you as you get big. You want to protect and take care of all these folks that are working so hard for you. I feel like you get up to,00 internal employees and it's like and that their jobs are based on other people going to work. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of lives at stake paying a lot of people. That's also the the great part about it these days is you get to see all these guys get married and have babies and raise families and you're providing and they're you're providing them a a lifestyle and it's it's it's really great to see like the Mahalas have, you know, babies and get married.
That's that's cool. Like impacting lives. They're coming to work every day getting paid to help other people get paid. Yeah. And I think people are like, "Oh, it's just recruiting." But it's like you're finding the right opportunity for someone that might be a huge pay raise or like it impacts their life for sure.
Every time that they take their jobs too seriously, look, you're putting people to work. You're giving people opportunities to go work at Eli Lilly, to work at Cumins, to work at Ro, to work wherever they they're working. Like, you're giving these guys opportunities they might not get on their on their own. Another big staple of what you guys do is being active in not just our community but also national foundations from uh what planting 50,000 trees is the plan there to uh veterans that are transitioning into civilian work like talk to me from so we uh in 2001 we decided to started a foundation so we have something called the 811 foundation three tiers of our 811 foundation or education hardship for our internal employees and then uh philanthropic community service. So education, we have what seven or nine Providence Crystal Ray kids. So Providence Crystal Ray matches up perfectly with all 30 of our offices, 35 of our offices across the country.
So we have kids from all the Providence Crystal Rays working. Well, there are Providence Crystal Rays everywhere. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know. I thought they were just here. No, they're they're nice.
And for anyone that doesn't know, PCR is awesome. They do four days in the school, one day at work. Correct. So we have a kid We have Well, I think we have three across the street, but we have them in Minneapolis, Detroit, uh I think Jacksonville. So we have we so that's our goal is kind of expand that partnership. That said our middle is premature deaths or IVF things like that that folks need in our company.
We we have a small bucket for that and the big bucket is we give each of our offices their own money to have their own pet project or philanthropy in their market. So we work with 35 different philanthropic organizations across the country and they're all unique. So it's not like we work with United Way nationwide. It's like we work with the Tampa Bay Food Bank. What's the Indianapolis one? Well, we have a lot here.
Uh, I mean, we've done Wheeler. I I know we work with Wheeler quite a bit. Boys and Girls Club is coming in, I think, next week. U, but I I can't even id itize them all here. There's a lot here. And that's that's cool because every market probably has their own identity of the things that they're passionate about and care about, right?
Cuz I know I was looking through and I thought that the Project Patriot was super cool and the stuff you're doing. Project Patriot is more of a business unit for us. It's more of a workforce management. So we actually go out and and and basically help place veterans when they come out of out of service into the field. So that's actually a money maker for us or it generates generates. So they're coming out like you know maybe they had 10 years or whatever in service and they were it's it's veteran placement and some of these guys are unbelievable techies.
I mean unbelievable. I mean they set up you know they'll set up a a network in the middle of the desert in Iraq but maybe don't have like a certificate right like don't have like a four-year degree. It's all it's all military and it's Yeah. and most of them don't have degrees and it's like they know what they're doing. Unbelievable. Yeah, man.
That's pretty cool. And being able to give them opportunities in the civilian side of things. I think that's it's been great. Again, you talk about it's just at the service, it's just giving someone a job or whatever, but it's like you're impacting lives. Correct. I think that's super cool.
And the idea that every market uh gets to kind of like link up with their own organization, give them a sense of purpose. What's your favorite market to go visit? Chicago's hard to beat. I, you know, you go back to the roots. I mean, old Cincinnati days were great. I I think of the where I spend most of my time and those are the first five or six offices.
Seattle's a cool market for us. Our Denver office is awesome. It's sits right in the the base of Colorado Rocky Stadium. We share the parking lot with the Rockies. No way. So they have a lot of fun.
I think uh one of my friends works at the Denver office. Yeah. A great leader there, Red Hole. He's fantastic. That's sick. Yeah, that's a fantastic office for us.
You share the parking lot with the Rockets. Yeah, it's cool. So when they have Well, but here you share the parking lot with us. They don't have a Yeah, exactly. See, I mean Yeah. It's bliss.
Yeah. Uh, but when they they don't have that many matinea games unfortunately in Colorado for some reason, but whenever they do, they have clients in the office and they walk over to the games together. It's cool. That's that's super cool, man. One piece of what makes you guys great in the special sauce is this training development like get them young, hungry, willing to learn. You bring everyone into Indianapolis for 6 months.
Well, the Metasaurus folks do that. They come in, they're a little different. and our Brooks source and our CAC lady come in for only for a week and then they'll come back for sales for a week, but then they have we have 32 weeks of of ongoing training in our training center this year. So I say we hire them out of the colleges, we do that almost exclusively and so we have to constantly retrain these folks. So we spend a a ton of time on our training programs. We have three or five full-time trainers and uh and they're constantly bringing people in and yeah, we spend a lot of time on them to get them up to speed.
I mean, you think you got a 23-year-old selling to someone my age or, you know, your parents' age and they've got three or seven million budgets and you got a 23-y old kid going in and trying to ask them for their business and to trust and believe in them, they better know what the hell they're talking about. Yeah, you got to be sharp. Yeah, for real. If there are other entrepreneurs out there that really want to prioritize learning and development of young talent, do you have any advice for them? Don't let age be a factor. Like, just trust trust the the youth.
I mean, they they can figure it out. There is more always way more resilient than we were, no matter what age they are. So, I would just trust them with with everything and let them make some mistakes on their own and they they almost always respond. In a time where people like to hate on the younger generation, say like they're not this, they're not that, like they're soft, having people that understand the impact and the importance of you have to figure out how to give them the training, the things that they need to go out there and be successful and they can figure it out. Y Amen. Uh we've come to our younger years segment.
So, this question is brought to you by our friends at Or Fellowship. They're a great organization here in Indiana helping develop young business leaders across the state. So, Ryan, what advice would you give to your 22-year-old self? I don't know. Take some risks, I guess. I mean, do what I did.
Luckily, I hate to sound immodest about it, but just take some risks early on before you have families, before you have, you know, spouses. What were the conversations or the internal conversations that you were having leading up to taking this risk? I think that's the big people get caught up on the idea of risk. You know, my dad, I said my dad worked for 35 years in corporate and uh he was kind of forced into retirement. At that same time, I was kind of souring on my my big corporate structure and they were more of a profiter and attrition shop. They had huge attrition rates and I knew that we could do this this business way better with a better culture.
And so that kind of pushed my hand into into doing this. At the time, my my wife was um you know had a had gainful employment which helped me take a risk. Um, and we made a bunch of money in our first two years and we had no kids. So, we had we had a a pretty high risk tolerance at that point. But, you know, if I would have started, you know, three or four years later with with a baby or two, then that would have been been a little bit trickier situation. I think that the idea of staffing and recruiting kind of gets a bad rap because of those things you talked about culture, attrition, um, like that you come in with the promises like you can make a million dollars next year.
It's the bluest of the white collar jobs because you're dealing with employment. You're dealing with people's feelings. You're dealing with disgruntled folks on and they don't get paid. You know, I don't get paid enough. I don't like my boss. And then you multiply that times, you know, 50 different work environments in a city because we're working with 50 different clients, let's say, and that just, you know, accelerates.
So, you know, it's you have to have a lot of patience. But if you again, if you step back and you're like, "Hey, we're putting people to work. We're we're paying people. We're giving them a way to live their lives. That kind of takes all the rest of it away. I was going to say, do you have one tip to build good company culture?
Try and make it fun like however you can. I mean, I mean, think of staffing. Staffing sounds like no one no one graduated of college and say, you know, I'm going to go into staffing. Like, no one. Like, guess what? What are you going to do when you grow up?
Why don't you get in staffing business? No, no one does that. So, we're teaching almost everyone a brand new industry which isn't, you know, always the most wellre received, recepted, and we have to make it fun. So, whatever your job is, it can be trash or masonary, whatever. However, however you can make those jobs fun, just do your best to do that. And I think uh staffing is set up well to be fun in the sense of there's scoreboards, right?
Like scoreboards on the recruiting side, scoreboards on the sales side, all that fun stuff. And you guys do a good job of like the rewards trips or the certain clubs and the tiers that you hit and and it's like oh man it's it's prestigious to get your rain maker or your this. Shout out to Maha who just got hers. Dude, I do my research. Company culture. I know a thing or two.
Well, it helps when Yeah. One of my best friends is like 5 years in. Man, this is fun. These are the same three questions that I ask everyone who sits in the chair. First one, what's something the world needs to know about Indiana? It's a great state.
It's got great people. People care about everybody that comes here. no matter where they're from. And uh it's a great business climate. Come here, visit, move here. Move here.
Absolutely. How many people uh do you have that come through, let's say, the meta source training, they end up coming to Indie for six months and they're like, man, I don't want to leave. We have a lot actually. You know, I mean, people come in that the ease of Indiana. I mean, if you come here from DC or you come here from Seattle where it's just the congestion and the taxes and everything is just brutal and they come here for 3, six months, they're like, "Man, this is pretty cool." Like I we've had people actually come to train and stay too.
So um we have people come back like we had we had it's kind of weird. We had people like asking to transfer back to our HQ. They're in like Nashville and I'm like you're going Indianapolis. Like that's was like yeah I love it there. I was like okay well let's go. Heck yeah baby.
And then then when the hockey tonk opens up down the street new broad hockey tonk wars. Let's go. Come on. Let's do it. Next question. What is a hidden gem in Indiana?
Uh you want to talk Newcastle semi-state? I'll say I'll say the Ice House, which is my favorite dive bar, I think, in the state. The Ice House. Oh, it's amazing. Out in Newcastle. Yeah.
After the Blood Rounds, I'll take you there for a cold one. It's uh it's pretty pretty solid. So many hidden gems, man. I mean, I'm I'm up at Lake Wall with Sea. Um we have some great lakes in Northern Indiana. Um obviously universities are fantastic.
Um I'm a Hooer, so I've got two kids down in Bloomington, so any everything down there is awesome. If there's a spot, if there's one spot where like someone from out of state was coming to Indiana and you were like, "You need to check this out or or a spot even that you think not enough people know about." Honestly, check out our lakes up north. Was Max and Kentucky, South Bend, go see Notre Dame. Like I I think that's a good one. Not a lot of people have said Notre Dame.
Yeah. I grew up just south of South Bend. So it's like we've gone to several games and Colts games are sick. It's you know it's loud. It's fun. But the the historic the historic nature of Notre Dame Notre Dame's campus is gorgeous and it's unique and it's unique.
It's super Christian Catholic driven. They've got the grotto. They got the dome. I mean, they've got tons of unbelievable history in there. Um it's it's definitely worth a visit to if you're coming to Indiana. Final question for you.
Who is a Hooer that we need to keep on our radar? Someone who's doing big things. Dan Hanhan. How about that? That's a good one. He uh he's special.
You can do Quinn Ricker. He just sold the Ricker convenience stores and now he started a jet access on the out at executive. He's owns bought and purchased four FBOs, a fixed base operator where private jets flying out of. That would be an interesting conversation. Yeah, there's there's a guy named Scott Fitzgerald uh who owns Fitzmark. He's on his second company at 42 Purdue Lebanon math major.
He's got incredible story, but he's way under the radar. Scott Fitzgerald. Yeah, he he would hate me telling put sending his name out there. Yeah, my my friend Tony Noble just uh sold 102 big red liquor stores. Uh he bought and sold those in a 5year span and and building the new 21C hotel downtown. There we go.
We'll look through some of them. Man, Ryan, I appreciate you coming on talking uh all things the journey through 811 and just Broadripple and if if we had to give parting words, right? So people out there listening, how can we do a better job of supporting Broadripple and building it back? I love what you're doing with this this podcast, Nate, and what you're doing. Uh bringing people even to the city, to to the village. Um but that's really what we need to do is just get our foot traffic coming in here, bring people in, have events.
We have rooftop events all the time. We have gallas the the more the festivals. We're going to start with some some more festivals. We're going to do a October fest here for our foundation coming in October. And then the BRB has a bunch of um tastes to brought up on things like that are going to start reappearing more and more often to get the foot traffic back and make sure everybody gets the warm and cozies about how good Broadle is. I love it.
Thank you for all the work that you're doing, man. Uh I think that Broadripple is going to be up and to the right for the next 5 years and I'm excited. I have a house. I live like a mile away from here. So I'm excited, man. Just seeing people like take pride in your local neighborhood always uh pumps me up.
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