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Where are you at and what is the dream finale for the stage quest?

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She's a speaker, an author, and former Division I tennis player and coach whose work has appeared to national media, including USA Today, CNN, ESPN, REVOLT, and Forbes. Today we're gonna be diving into her journey from the courts to the community, talking all about her epic quest that she's been on the past few years.

They are insane. They're so crazy. It'll be so much fun to dive into Jennifer. Welcome to the show. Thank you. I feel like I am someplace famous. Like literally I watch this show. So being in the studio, I feel like super honored. Thank you for having me on, Nate. Wow. Every, that just makes us feel good. It's the truth.

I mean, let's say, uh, 14 months ago would've been just some bare gray walls and like a couple of cameras. And so now we have, we got this nice, uh, new basketball to add to the merch collection. Let's go. Yes, I'm excited. Um, you come from a family that I would say is rooted in history in Indiana sports. If anyone that's watching, uh, whether YouTube or Spotify, and you see the jacket that Jennifer has on today, boom.

Boom. This is. Vintage It is. This is, uh, south Bend LaSalle High School. You hit it on the head and it's your dad. Yes. Tell us about what this jacket means. David Magley was Mr. Basketball in 1978. Incredible story. While my grandmother was diagnosed with cancer, my father went on a rampage in high school basketball and she said, you know, I wanna, I wanna live to see you become a man.

And he did that at 18 and he, he feels that helped his story become Mr. Basketball, but he did it in honor of my grandma, and he also played all these other sports and fun fact, uh, he got his jersey retired at LaSalle High School, and then they tore the high school down. So, you know, but it's all forever.

In those rafters that's like, that's you though the rafters no longer the the ghost rafters. Yeah. The, the, the, the Honor is there. Is still there. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Then he, he's, he went on to play at KU and then played in the NBA, so. Wow. Uh, incredible. So, like growing up, were sports always just ingrained into your. It was, it was like, if you all don't play sports, uh, then you're not, you know, going to college 'cause we're not paying for it. There were four of us. Yeah. So we were all fortunate to get college scholarships. What number were you? Uh oh. The best? Yeah. Right. Number one. Number one. Okay. You're number one. You went on to play tennis?

I did. At Florida. University of Florida and you at one point were the number one singles tennis player in the nation. It was amazing. We won a national championship. I was number one in the nation. And then Nate, I made history, um, at, at All-American because there had never been a number one player to lose first round in the tournament.

So, oh gosh. I called my mom up and I was like, yo, I'm in the LA Times. She was like, what? Oh my gosh. I was like, yeah, for losing. Oh. So yes. Okay, we're gonna dive into that. I do have to know. So you played tennis at Florida. Other siblings all played basketball. Basketball. They were hoopers. Where at? One. Um, went to KU, Western Kentucky University.

That's what it, yeah. Yeah. It was WKU and then the other one transferred to WKU also. Yeah. And then the other one played at a couple different schools. Wow. Longest. Yeah. So it's like your parents were like, if they wanted to go watch, they're like traveling to Florida, Kentucky, all over constantly. Where was home base for your family? We all relocated from Kansas. My dad's originally from Indiana, went to ku, so then we were in Kansas and then we moved to Florida to train at IMG Academy. That's where I grew up. Yeah. With Nick Bollettieri when he was alive. So RPI mean, this is like how old is IMG Academy? Oh, older than me. Fortunately it started with Nick Bollettieri, uh, and then some tomato fields.

He was, he ne he never even played tennis. And then he was able to get, you know, Andre Agassi, huge, amazing players. And then had the investment, the infusion from IMG and now it's the mega force on yeah, for like every sport. It's unbelievable. Yeah, it's crazy. What part of Florida is that? It's in Bradenton, so Bradenton, which is near, uh, Sarasota. Okay. Yes. So that's like, that's like on the, the golf side. Mm-hmm. 9 4 1. That's right. Wow. I mean, not a bad place to grow up, obviously not as great as obviously the Hoosier State. Yeah. Or being in the grit factory. That is LaSalle High School in South Bend. Come on now. Yes, yes. So you end up going to University of Florida.

Mm-hmm. And. You're at at that point, you know, you get to the point where you're the number one singles tennis player in the nation. Did you like, was tennis always your thing? Was it like this was a means to go through college or were you like, I want to go pro and win a Grand Slam? Yes. I wanted to be number one in the nation, you know?

Yeah. Um, and then I actually wanna be, sorry. Number one in the world ended up number one in the nation, so it was weird even stopping tennis. You go into the store and you see people's shoes, like Maria Sharapova that you grew up playing with. Yeah. And you're like, I can't even afford those shoes. But I wanted to be number one in the world.

But tennis is one of those sports where you have to be really well funded and really kick some butt early. Yeah. And if you don't do that, then college is kind of a secondary path. So I went pro afterwards. Oh. So like short period of time. The best tennis, they don't go to college. They

don't go to college? No, they're not playing in high school. They're at these academies and they're turning pro when they're 13, 14, 15. Okay. So it is similar, not quite the same, but similar to baseball where it's the best baseball players finish high school, go right to the MLB. Right, right. Okay. So, so then did like realities set in when you're like, okay, I'm going to college for tennis. Yeah. It was kind of like, um, a little bit of a vibe of a failure because tennis is fetishized for youth. Yeah. And so you're saying, okay, well maybe I'm never gonna be that number one player in the world. It's almost like a prodigy sport. Like it totally is. Yeah. Like figure skating, gymnastics, golf.

Everyone's younger. Yeah. So, so you end up going to college and I believe what, your sophomore year or maybe junior year, somewhere in there you guys win the national championship. I was really fortunate. It was my actual freshman year. Had to Google it before, 'cause you know, your girl's getting older, but it was in 2003 freshman year.

We win it. Next year. We went undefeated the full season and then we lost early on. But when you win, it's such a huge honor. Yeah. Were you a contributor? Like Yeah. Your freshman year? I was playing, yeah. Okay. So what, what year were you number one? I was number one my last year, my junior year. Okay. Yeah. So being on the team?

Mm-hmm. So you're like, were you like, uh, like it because it goes three singles, like 1, 2, 3, and then one doubles. Two doubles. That's like a full tennis team. Yeah, it goes six, six singles matches and then three doubles matches. Oh, and there's only eight scholarships. It's a headcount sport. At least when I competed. Yeah. Yeah. And so, um, this concept of being like an individual player and then trying to create a team, it is a really awkward one. Yeah. So it's not the same experience as, you know, you see on TV when everyone's winning the national championship. It's like a bunch of individuals running into hug each other. Yeah. Okay. That, that's fair. It's odd. And so going from being a part of a national championship team to then getting to the point where individually you're ranked number one in the nation.

Yes. Talk to me about the different pressures. Like was it cooler to be number one as an individual or cooler to be on a national championship team? You know, the truth is it was cooler to win on the team. Yeah. After, after all that time, because you're always by yourself in tennis and no one really thinks of tennis as like a diehard team sport in that aspect. Did getting to become ranked number one, provide like a lot of pressure? It did. It was, it was something that you, you're expected to.

You know, whereas when you're the underdog, everyone's like, oh, you know, everyone loves that story in America. Yeah. But yeah, I had some, I took some Ls that that season and I left to go pro before our season started. So I left and graduated in December and went on the pro tour. Our season is, uh, from January to May.

So national championships are in May that before your senior year? Yes. So you create history. You make history. Yeah. By being the first number one to lose. How early in the tournament? Uh, that early in the All-American tournament. It was the first round. I think I got to like, maybe the finals of the back draw, but so this kept going.

So this would this be like, uh, you know, when, uh, Virginia loses to U nm BC in like the sweet 16, or sorry, in the first round of Yeah. It's all kind of awful. Yeah. And it's like your egos just blah. So talk to me about dealing with that. Yeah. Like if you've been a winner mm-hmm. The majority of your life Yeah.

To then, you know, make the wrong kind of news, I guess. Like as an app competitor. Yeah. How did you deal with that? Just said to myself like. Uh, this is a moment happening, not who I am. I think that's the hardest thing about a sport like tennis, is you start to think that your Ls are also your identity. And I think that happens too with business, right?

Like in startups, it's really hard to separate the success of what you're doing with who you are. It's challenging. So, so often you hear, you know, like maybe you were, someone was an early employee at like a huge winner. Yes. You know, it's like in indie everyone talks about ExactTarget, Uhhuh, but maybe you were an early employee there.

You guys won huge billion plus dollar exit, go and start your own thing. And it doesn't, it doesn't have that same outcome. Oh. Or it has a, you know, goes, goes outta business so hard. And that's like hard to not identify yourself as a failure. Like, no, I'm capable of winning, but this venture, you know, maybe didn't succeed.

Talk to me about the decision then, uh, you could have gone on a redemption tour right? And tried to come back. Yeah. And like prove yourself in the college, the collegiate, like NCAA uhhuh national tournament. Right. But then you decided to go pro and it shut the door Yeah. At that time I just had bigger, broader dreams, uh, that the, the vision of still being a pro was still out there.

Yeah. I mean, when you see people from other countries at IMG that you used to compete with or maybe beat doing really well, getting into the semi-finals of Grand Slam tournaments, you're like, Hmm, I guess I still got it too. So that's when I said, okay, you know what? This is for the birds. Let me just go ahead and I got the credit.

Um, let's peace out. Let's get outta here. Yeah. Like get, get your degree. Let's get outta here. Yeah, because I never understand when people leave early and they don't like and they don't have the degree, you're so close to the degree, like you might as well just finish that out. I always love it too when, uh, professional athletes, even if they do get drafted or go to like the league or whatever early, then they like still finish their degree.

I'm like, oh yeah. It's nice you're making your family proud on that one. I think Shaq did that. I think if, if memory serves, I think he went back and finished up and it's really neat to see Yeah. Mean his was, wasn't his, he enrolled. Like five of his, 'cause they needed like six people to like do the courses, so he just paid for, he's so six of his buddies to do it too.

He is, but he's the best. I love what he's doing with a Reebok right now too. And Angel Reese. Oh my gosh. Like, this is exciting times. Um, talk to me then about what, what dominoes would've had to fall Oh, for you to make a career on the, the professional tennis player side. Yeah. I would say money. Sh money baby.

It's all about the money. Uh, because money helps support your mental health. Money helps you have. A trainer, a, a coach, like a hitting partner, travel with you when you don't have the money, you've gotta pay for everything yourself and come out of pocket. It's an expensive sport. I mean, IMG alone when I went was a hundred KA year just to be in that program.

It was a thousand dollars an hour to have my coach at the time, Nick Bollettieri coach me, and so I was on scholarship. That's the only way I was able to be there. You are telling me people were paying a hundred thousand dollars a year for like a, I don't know what it is now. School prep school could be more now. Yeah. And they probably are like selected then too. It's like, oh yeah, you know, so and so's really good. They're gonna get on a scholarship here. But like, if someone's like, you know, rich Country Club dad, they're going, we'll take their money. Yeah. And that's how it worked. It worked back then the, the good players, uh, were paid for by the rich players.

And now it's, it's kind of crazy. Well, because it was like a pro machine. Like I was growing up on a stationary bike next to, you know, Derek Jeter, Michael Johnson. That was totally normal as a teenager to see these guys training at IMG. And now it's a college vehicle, which is fine. Yeah, it's profitable.

But back then everyone that went there wanted to be a pro. That's crazy. Mm-hmm. Okay. So then through your time in tennis, who, who was like the most notable person that you played against? You know, I ended up in a actual match playing against a gal named Alexandra Stevenson. Her dad, it was Dr. J don't know if you remember that, that whole story.

So my dad was like, you have an indirect win over Dr. J. 'cause he played basketball. So I thought that was interesting. But training wise, you know, I got to hit and see, you know, Venus and Serena come up. There was a player, Martina Hingis that was very popular. And then, um, I was the hitting partner with Martina Navratilova for a few weeks.

So these players are tremendous. I mean, growing up you see all the plays, you see the men, you see everybody. Everyone's training next to court who were like the, what was the gold standard of, uh, women's tennis, you know, as, who were you looking up to of like a couple steps out in front of you that you wanted to be like Always Venus and Serena.

Yeah. I mean, they're the goats. I still think that everyone even now is probably still emulating Serena's abilities. Venus', you know, tenacity. She's still out there playing. She's older than me. That's crazy. She just play the Australian Open. She got a walk card. Yeah. And just like the whole. Like, they like, like took this moment.

Yeah. In everyone. Like whether or not you, like I had, I had never watched tennis, but you know Venus and Serena, yes. Like, you know, that they are like the goats of, of women's tennis. Yeah, for sure. On the men's side, who were, who was crushing at that point. I think like Tommy Haas was training a lot, um, in that area.

And I am also, you know, shout out to Andy Roddick. We were in the same age growing up, so he did really well. And then you'll also see like Nicholas Monroe, he's on the tennis channel now. Huge doubles player. He's a big broadcaster. So on the men's side, a lot of these guys just, um, you know, it's, it's cool you get to train with them.

You're not necessarily ever gonna beat at least my, someone like me. Not gonna beat them. But it was neat to see whiskey score a point and you're going like, score boy. Yeah. It's funny. Go on now. Yeah, it's, it's funny, you never know who's gonna end up being exceptional when there's a big pool of town on junior team USA Yeah, that's the crazy part too with youth sports.

Mm-hmm. Where it's like we just, um, we just had in, um, Gabriel Brown, he is the number one 10 and under swimmer in the nation. Oh wow. Wow. And it's like incredible. His times currently are better than 10-year-old Michael Phelps. Oh. Which is awesome. Like he and this kid trains six days a week in the pool and five days a week.

Uh, a land workout. Yes, yes. Like crazy cool for a 10-year-old to be so committed to like, you know, going and pursuing big things. Yes. But then there's also still like six formative years before you're 16 years old, like mm-hmm. There's a long time like, you know, six years ago, it's a haul, he's four and like just learning how to swim and now, you know, he's, so I think that there's an interesting piece and everyone's pouring into youth sports.

They are like, there's a ton of training and money being spent around that, and then it's always interesting to see then who ends up panning out to be a real pros pro. Yeah. As you were, you know, going through the pro circuit and figuring that out, obviously money's important, you know? Mm-hmm. Being able to fund this adventure.

Where was the moment where you kind of had to come to terms Yeah. And say like, you know, it's not gonna work out. Come to reality. Wake up, dream is over. I was going for a forehand in Hawaii and I heard a pop. And I thought, what in the world is that? And it was my ligament in my ankle. I just collapsed to the ground.

And it was not the trip in Hawaii that I was expecting. That was my last professional tournament. And I felt a little relieved, frankly, that I didn't have to choose that. I mean, later on I had to say, okay, do I wanna really come back? What am I gonna do? But at that moment, it is so hard to let go when you are used to having this belief that you're three feet from gold.

You know, they always say entrepreneurs, oh, don't quick before you're, you're three feet. You're so close. But sometimes you're like, is there even gold on the other side of this? I don't even know anymore. You know? And sometimes like having that. External force make the decision for you. Oh gosh. Can make like, because then you, it also is like easy to not have to look yourself in the mirror and Totally.

And like make the decision for yourself. Yeah. I had to because that's hard. It is hard. And then like transitioning into like, okay, what do you do next? What does life look like if it's not, you know, being addicted to achievement. I love achieving things. Who am I if I don't achieve one more thing? Yeah.

Brutal. So you end up having the ankle injury. Mm-hmm. What do you do? Where do you go? Went to some hospital. I'm on the island. And then it took me a while to rehab and then I'm like, okay, I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna come back. And then I finally just realized I don't love it anymore. Yeah. You know, I don't, I don't love this journey.

And I don't, it's not the same as when I'm out on the court at University of Florida, which then you look back a little more fondly on that time. That was actually pretty special. Yeah. I think that that is, is like the classic, like wisdom is Yeah. Wasted or you know, right. Youth is wasted on the young or whatever.

Um, that isn't because you're like, Hey, I, you know, I did forgo our senior year. Yes. You know, we could have, I have come back and made a run there. But like, you learn to, you have appreciation for both of those things. You decide then to get into coaching. Yes. Is that just like the next, uh, immediate path, you're like, okay, if I can't play, then I'll coach. Yeah. Those that can't, uh, coach. Right. So Amen to that. Here we are. And that was cool. I was the associate head at Wichita State, uh, university, which associate had, is like a, I don't know, you're kinda like the stepmom. You're, you're like, you're loved, but you're not beloved. You know, you're not the head coach.

So that was pretty, uh, unique. And then I'm the head coach at Florida Gulf Coast University. And you're 23 years old. So young. Yeah. At the time you're the youngest Division I head, head coach. Yes. Yeah. At 23, how did you gain the respect of your athletes? Gosh, as just a young, yeah, young spry, you know, basically still player Uhhuh age at yourself. Right. I don't know if I did. I tried to do it the way that I knew, which was through like hard driving standards. And for that, that meant love for me. 'cause I grew up, you know, when you're an elite athlete, criticism is love. Like feedback is love. Like, you know, somebody telling you not good enough is like, oh, thank you.

You know? Yeah. I appreciate that. So I tried that way, and I don't know if I was feared or respected, but then along the way I decided, okay, you know, I'm gonna keep holding the standards of like, you know, you gotta come to practice on time and you gotta give a full effort and you gotta do sprints. I feel like that's such

a hard, you know, it was very hard. A hard balance. Yeah. So a few things I wanna dive into. When you have the competitive. Mindset. Mm-hmm. Like how do you think you flip the switch to not feel like criticism is attacking your character. Yeah. And feel like it's attacking the effort that you're putting forward and it's like, Hey, you know, you can do better.

You know? And feedback is love. Yes. In a sense of like, if I didn't care, I would just say, yeah, it's fine, whatever. Right? Like that's what I thought, but it was probably received and could have been delivered a little nicer of like, Hey, we can do better. We can try harder. I inherited a program that was division three.

And then I was in it the first year to make a Division I. So that was like, you know, practice was like kind of optional. And, you know, we've got, at FGCU, we had, uh, we were right on a lake with a beach, so, you know, people are on the beach, they're driving boats around and it's like, who wants to practice?

And I'm coming in from, you know, Wichita State, a program that did well, but before that University of Florida. And I'm just like, no way. Let's go. Let's focus, let's focus. Yeah. So we would, we did amazing community service. We raised so much money. We actually did more community service one year than the entire University of Florida football team.

That's how community obsessed we were. And I mean, I think if you talk to some of the players that look back on the time fondly, they would say, I was in the best shape of my life, had the best grades. I've never worked harder. Um, and other people, if you talk to, if they hated it, they'd be like, oh, she was just ruthless.

So it's, you know, that's how it goes with coaching. Have to, you've earned respect and you then you have to kind of like establish the rules that you Right. Even though we might meet, not be that far apart in years, yes. There's still like a player coach relationship there. Yeah, you try, you try. And I, it's, I can only imagine. It's hard and it's, and it's a sport where they're used to being able to fire the coach since they're three years old. Mommy. I don't like him. I don't like her. Fire them. And then they've gotta come in and answer to me. You know, a 23-year-old, inexperienced, coached, experienced player. Yeah. And so he's, and brutal like, oh, they're like, oh, do you even know what you're doing?

Exactly. Who are you and why are you saying this? And you know, that was too intense or whatever. So it was one of those experiences that when I transitioned to move to Indianapolis. I thought I've, I've done all that I can here. Yeah. Coaching. And I know that this, I gave it my best. Where along your journey did you fall in love with the grind? I would say I have always been that kid. Do you think that always something you're born with or is it a learned skill? Earned skill? I'm gonna say something that's super controversial. I think it's a form of undiagnosed OCD really. When you hear about all the greats, uh, they're so focused on one thing.

They let everything else go. That's all they thought about. They got up, they got early in sports. We glorify it and we say, oh, they're driven. They're disciplined. They had vision. But if it was like Monopoly or if it was video games, video games or bicycles, then you'd be like, Hmm, okay. You know, that's, that's a hyper-focused interest.

Yeah. So I do think that. I think that you come here that way and if you're fortunate to have parents that care about your interests, then they encourage you. Yeah. And you know, it's accept it. That's so interesting. I actually, I, it's in my long list of like random ideas. Yeah. Like writing a book called Healthy Obsession and it's like looking at all of the greatest anything.

Yes. Whether it's like leaders, you know, nonprofit leaders, uh, philanthropists to athletes. Mm-hmm. Like Tom Brady is like the greatest example I feel like. Yes. Because he has said unquote like you, if you wanna beat me, you have to give up your life. 'cause I've given up my life this. Oh, and he has. He certainly has. And now, now he's like living now it feels like. Yeah, now he's living. It feels like he's having a good day. Tom Brady is living, I, I saw his little selfie. Y'all curled up on it. He's like, this is what you do wanna Sunday. It was like, baby girl, like first, the first like Sunday he spent on the couch and I'm like, welcome to it Tom.

I know. This is it. He was smizing with his eyes. Everyone's like, who are these for? Yeah. Like what? Crazy. It's wild to see him like reentry into what a normal person looks like. Yeah. It's wild. There's so many people that just become, I even like on a way different scale. Like our business uhhuh changed when we became hyper obsessed with everything Indiana. That's right. Like, and people are like, it's weird. Like how much useless knowledge of the state of Indiana that. Me and the team and everyone here has, it's like, but we love it. We've just like fully emerged. Oh. Built a platform and then you like incredible. It creates this momentum, like similar like with you going on these quests.

Mm-hmm. You know, like the first one I remember seeing was your Stooge Quest Yes. To get on Pat McAfee's show. That's right. Which like, I think a lot of people start things where it's like, oh, this is day one of blah blah, blah, blah, blah Uhhuh. And then it's like, then you realize you have to do this 364 more times.

And then there's very rarely a day two, or when people start a podcast. Yeah. The first five episodes are fun. Then you post them, no one listens to them. Mm-hmm. And you

give up. Mm-hmm. So talk to me, take me through this journey of where the idea to get on Pat McAfee show came from. Yeah. Yeah. And then executing it for an entire year. Woo. I tell you what, I was in the gym trying to transform my body. He's on a TV and I didn't know how to feel about the show. That's the truth. Yeah. When I first started seeing it, it was in closed captions. So you're actually just reading it. You don't hear the tone. And I finally figured out, um, the more and more I watched it, this is actually funny.

This is actually good. And actually, you know what? They might need someone a little bit different on this show. Wait, what? They might need somebody who's a bro, but doesn't look like a bro. Yeah. And then I was like, aha. And I thought to myself, self, what a shame if you don't do everything within your power to shoot your shot.

Because if they brought in somebody else who, if for those that don't know, a sto is not somebody who is necessarily a pro athlete. A sto is, is is somebody who cares about sports, who's a little silly, who's goofy, who's comical, right? Yeah. So don't take anything they're saying too seriously in a good hang, a good hang. No. Like, everyone likes a good like that. Talk about Amy Poer. Good. Hang. Come on. She's, she's amazing. So then I thought to myself, self, you know what, um, let's do what other people have done. To get the answer about getting on the show. And that was videos. So I dressed up as him. Oh man. It was like the starter pack on Amazon, like the Pat McAfee.

I got a BLO at that time. He was blonde. So I got a blonde wig, two chains, a black tank, uh, put a little bit of baby oil on oil myself up. And I said, I'm gonna cut a promo. I'm gonna do a bit, and let's see how he responds. And I did it. It was about him being nervous before going live for three hours with some dude wipes, bobbleheads, you know, trinkets everywhere.

And he commented very accurate with laughing faces, which may have been the worst mistake of his life if he looks back on it. Yeah. He's like, oh, this is cool. He's like, I'm never commenting again. Because what happened with that was this thing called the mere exposure effect. I don't know if you've ever heard about it.

It's a concept in marketing that if a person responds to the initial stimulus in a positive way. They just need to see it multiple more times to be able to make a decision on a product or a person. Yeah, so since that initial response was positive, we're like mere exposure effect. Let's go harder. And that's what happened for the next 364 days. I mean, without failure. Yeah. 364 more videos. Oh, multiple and multiple posts online within the 365. So there's stories, there's different platforms, there's LinkedIn, you went all in, all in chips, all in it. It got wild. Yeah. It was like running for president that it was, no one asked me to do it, but it's gonna get done. Yeah. That's what it was. What was the, if there's a hardest day where you're like somewhere in the middle Mm. And you're like. Well, it looks like I, I committed to doing this. I gotta keep doing this. Like, what did you, what what, what was one of those stories Terminator video with, first of all, do you know how hard it is to find a t-shirt cannon someone to lend you a t-shirt cannon?

Like no one has these things. You can't even rent 'em. They're so expensive. Fortunately the The Hangar Indy came through, no way, The Hangar Indy, shout out to the boys The Hangar Indy. I was like, Hey, we got something cooking here. And um, they let me have this t-shirt cannon, and we knew that the team inside of the Thunderdome loves Terminator.

So we shot. Custom T-shirts into the thunderdome parking lot with a drone. I hired a drone. We've learned about the airspace above, above the Thunderdome and a 365 camera, and we created two or three pieces of content around that. We didn't even get a like, but we tried. Right. Yeah. So I love Tim Robinson. I love Nathan Fielder.

I love social awkwardness. Yeah. So they inspired me. I grew up, you know, I grew up in the Ashton Kutcher era. And, uh, the, the Punk'd, the, yeah. You know, the Jackass. Jackass, all that stuff. Great content. I loved it. So we used those, those pieces as inspiration for the content. Those were like brain rot before, like Yeah, social media, brain rot.

You Oh my. You know what was also one of those, like, before reels really got uhhuh going, Uhhuh, um, ridiculousness. Like Rob Dyrdek. Yes. Yes. It's like you could turn on, that's like 30 minutes of brain wrap of people. Just like, that's the thunderdome. If you look at the thunderdome, it looks just like that too. There's like basketball, like you sit, you on stage, you're hanging out, you're having fun, right? So you get to the end and like where in the journey did you, did it start to paint the picture of like, this isn't gonna happen. Oh, I knew it was never gonna happen. Oh, okay. That's the gag. Yeah, the gag is, you know, middle-aged Midwestern, melanated mom wants to outrow the bros, and so that's why I did the Stooge on the Street.

I was like, maybe you're not, maybe they're not ready to have me in studio, but I'm gonna go on the street and interview people and that could be a 32nd segment in the third hour. But I knew it would never happen. I thought we would get a, I thought, I really genuinely thought like, I don't know, three weeks in, we'd get like a seats taken.

You know, thanks for your enthusiasm. Yeah, yeah. Like, which I got you would've been amazing. Could've probably saved you like, you know, 200, 290 days of your life. I always could have saved me, you know, campaign signs around town, mobile billboard, uh, downtown. It could, it could have saved me custom cookies, custom coloring books.

But you'd have a way. Yeah. You wouldn't have a school of a story. No. Which is really cool. I mean, we have this incredible story. The team was fantastic. They let me cook. They didn't shut me down. They didn't cease and desist me. Thank you. God. You know, it showed that they had a sense of humor, right? Yeah.

And after 365 days, we opened it up out of the oven. We did a, a parody, uh, video that I was cooking. And I put in all this hard work and patriotism and all this stuff, and what do we get from the oven? And we open it up and it's nothing. Just silence with crickets. And I think it was kind of the perfect way to end.

Yeah. That quest. However, there is season two of Quest. Yes. Which is. Significantly different. Significantly different. Yeah. And yet and more in your control. The same well in your control. That's the part because, you know, not, not everybody loved the fact that I was trying to get on this bro show. You know, they didn't, they didn't love the fact that they didn't see more black women on the show to begin with.

And they were like, oh, don't you feel like you're being a little bit, pick me. Don't you think you're kind of going too hard for people to notice you? And I'm like, no, actually I like the show. I live here in town. Yeah. And you know, like, why not? My feedback on that is if anyone. Like you can have your opinions about any personality.

Yeah. Right, right. Like what gets views is having a person, an opinion if no one cares. Right. Like if, if people are just in the middle, like, gosh, again, like Indiana for instance. Yeah. A lot of people are like, uh, it's, they don't even think about it. If you ask people from all over the country, they don't think about it.

But the best type or the people that love it, or the people that are in my comments that hate it. Yeah. And they, they might hate that I talk so fast or hate that we bring so much energy. Oh yeah. Like pat hate on it. Anybody is either like you polarizing. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And, and that's like, either way you're still watching. Totally. So I do think like a, and it's really good for the state. Yes. He's, he is amazing. Someone that keeps Indiana. Even though we've done a great job from a sports perspective of staying relevant. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He also just like, there's always this thread of Indiana is Oh. In the news, which is cool. Yeah. And he was just honored by Visit Indy, right? Yeah. That big thing. And to me, you know, I, I, you know, I didn't go, um, because of course like that'd being a little, like a quest is over too creepy. Right. But I was excited for them. But at the same time it's like, give this guy the keys to the city. Why aren't we doing more for him and the things that he's doing and bringing to Indianapolis if it's not for him and a team of people.

WWE do you really think that they're looking at an eight year contract here at, uh, at the Lucas Oil Stadium? Probably not. That is every time WWE comes to town, I was fortunate to be on stage with them for Royal Rumble last year, a community event. Time of my life. It's the equivalent of Taylor Swift every time they come to Lucas Oil Stadium, Taylor Swift and all that money that came in. That's crazy. So it was a historic agreement. Wrestling fans are, oh God, next level. Well I love kayfabe and that's also prevalent in my content, right? Yeah. Is you gotta love kayfabe. That concept that comes from the circus that we're both suspending our disbelief here and we are both having a lot of fun. We're, we're both suspending our disbelief. Yeah. Because you like, if you really like dissect it with like your engineering Purdue University mind, like this is fake wrestling, what are we? But it's like, you know, so is reality tv and so is this that the other thing, like beast games, whatever it might be, but you're just taking a minute and saying, I'm just gonna appreciate this.

Art or this entertainment for what it is to be entertained for, you know, the next two and a half hours or whatever. It's, it's so much fun. The fans stay all the way to the end because it's written that way. Yeah. They know how to have a story. And if you can do that with your social media, yeah. You guys are doing amazing job with that serial storytelling, and that's what the quest is about day to day. And it's almost like for wwe e specifically, it's like you, by being in the crowd, you play a role, you're, you're in it. Yeah, yeah. You're part of it. And all the gear is gone and every, I mean, everyone is so obsessed, everyone's so passionate, and that's what I think more of us can do on our social media. What did you think about the end for John Cena? You know, I think John Cena is a true. Performer and him tapping out is also him saying, I'm leaving. No one is making me do this. Yeah. So I feel like he's a poetic type of guy. And if you don't, I, I don't know, it's kinda like the Game of Thrones ending for me, where it's like, how do you land this plane anyway?

How do

you land that? Do you have him win? And then like in five years someone's gonna challenge him 'cause he's arrange like, right. Like you, I don't know. I feel like there might've been a different way. I don't know what the different way is. So it's like if I don't have a solution, like I guess the one that they went with was the best.

Yeah. But it's like, like this icon of wwe. Like when you think of wwe EI feel like it's John Cena. John Cena has been incredible. And I'm curious to see if the most recent season of WWE: Unreal on Netflix that dives into the behind the scenes. Oh, is this like the drive to survive for wwe? Oh, this is, it is like, people are not happy about it.

Paul Heyman, who is what I wanna be, I mean, I wanna be Paul Heyman one day, which is a talent manager. You go out and you, you know, you basically stir it up. You cause problems verbally. I would love to be the bad guy. Oh man, I feel like I'm born to be the villain. You know, let's go. And, and that's why I was like, you know, jokingly, like, I was hoping I would be rejected by Pat McAfee show 'cause they are WWE adjacent and it's like, okay, awesome.

If they rejected me even an awful way, like even better, you know, I'm, I'm part of the lore. Yeah. But instead, you know, it was just like, hey, silence to me means not now. Yeah. So with this new quest to land on a hundred stages. There's still a chance. Yeah. So talk, talk. So you're seeing there's a chance. Yeah.

Right. You're, so, you're saying there's a chance. A chance. So talk to me then about this quest to get on a hundred stages. Where are you at? Yes. What stages do you have coming up, and what is the dream finale for the stage quest? Gosh, thank you for asking. Well, this is stage 19 here on Get IN. Let's go with Nate Spangle.

And I am so excited because folks that didn't like the quest, it's like, Hey, you didn't, like I was trying to get on a Pat McAfee show. Guess what? You too can put me on your stage. You may have a stage through your job, you may have a stage through then. So people that didn't like the quest, you can get a stage.

Yeah. People that love the quest, you can help me. Everyone is their own wish granter now. Yeah. Yeah. So we've got everything from me, um, going out for Naptown Roller Derby on February 28th. Let's go. I mean, it doesn't get any more incredible than that because I don't know how to roller skate. So that's gonna be So in all of your, you know, all the time growing up in IMG and playing tennis, never learned No roller discos. No, no roller discos because it was like, don't get injured. So I'm gonna try to get myself over to Skateland, do a little bit more. Well, if there's one thing I know is that you're gonna train for this, I'm assuming. Well, well because you know, I'm someone who's gonna train for this because of this St. Elmo's Shrimp Cocktail competition. You inspired me Nate. I was watching your videos. I mean, you crushed it. Thank you. I got my ass kicked. No, but I watched your video over and over again and all of a sudden I get tagged in something and you're microdosing, microdosing, shrimp cocktail sauce. And I'm like, you're crazy.

Uh, it is intense. So intense. And I just thought, you know what, if I'm gonna, if St. Elmo's gives me that opportunity, I'm gonna train, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go crazy. So we had, this is why you were the number one singles player in the nation's that ocd. Yeah. You're just like, you're channeling it and it's like, yeah, when, when it's like you're channeling it to go to like multiple practices a day, everyone's like, yes.

When you're channeling it to go shrimp cocktail sauce, like people look at you like a raised eyebrow, like, oh, okay. Like, hmm, what is this? But then when I won, I had it all played out in my head and I'm gonna be just, you know, victorious and this is my city, I'm the cocktail queen. And meanwhile people don't understand it's just one shrimp cocktail.

You know, it's not like Joey Chestnut 21 and a half pounds or whatever he did, uh, like that. But you know, this summer we've got everything from me milking a cow competitively. I think this is how you do it at the state fair. I'm in that, that's a stage let's go to next week. I'm in a New York Fashion Week, uh, sit in front row pretending that I belong there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that will count as a stage. So it's a wide ranging thing. How are you classifying stages? Anything with an audience? Oh, anything with an intentional audience. Yeah. So like the other day, the water main went out at Borage restaurant, which is a hidden gym in Indianapolis. Ooh. If you haven't been in Speedway, Bo Borage.

B-O-R-A-G-E. Bge. Incredible. Zoe Taylor, she's the chef, uh, the pastry chef there. They used to be at Milktooth. Oh yeah. And then they opened up beautiful, like high end diner in market space. So their water line broke in the of Speedway and there was some news there. And I really wanted to be disgruntled Indiana woman, but I'm like, that doesn't technically count as a stage.

So I kind of reeled it in and I said, you know what? That's it. Gotta have an intentional audience. It's gotta be intentional. Yeah. Okay.

So that didn't count. So what's been the biggest stage in the smallest stage thus far? Thus far it was being, uh, co-MC. At the Microsoft Excel World Championship in Vegas.

Live on ESPN. We'll be on ESPN Ocho show this spring. That is nuts. I saw the footage from that, like the tunnel, dude, those guys, the tunnel, those people are freaks in the sheets. It was amazing the honor to get to, I mean, and I'm announcing them. I'm like, Andrew the Annihilator, you know, this is WWE for me.

I'm gonna give you, I'm Santa Claus, I'm bringing the spirit. I'll give you all I got. I was gonna say, how did, I got, how did the Microsoft Excel community feel about the energy? They loved it. They, they, one of the headlines was the mc for MEWC didn't have to go that hard, but we love it. Let's go. That was one of those, that's fire. It was so much fun. How, how did you even get the opportunity? Yeah. Like where do you get connected with Microsoft World Championship? Yeah. Uh. The stage, uh, Stooge Quest season one. Yeah. So one of the, one of the videos I did was, ladies, if it's, if you're looking for a pro athlete, maybe it's time to pivot. And check out the Microsoft Excel World Championships.

'cause these men have, you know, great credit. They got LinkedIn profiles and they know how to tickle them keys. And so, you know, it as part of, you know, I wanna show the, you know, the Pat McAfee Show brand. Everything I can do created three fake shows went wild. And that was one of the pieces. I also got stand-up comedy, paid stand-up comedy set in Texas over that, which was fantastic, which led to me auditioning for Mike Epps this year.

Hopeful, hopefully they'll pick me. But I don't know. How did, uh, stand-up comedy go? Because sometimes when, when you're funny on social media. It can be hard, very hard to get to land and stand up. It's a different sport. Yeah. Yeah. It's yet ev every microphone is a different sport, I would say. Yeah. And it was so much fun.

Killed it the first time. Bombed the second, but I was like, I'm official. Brutal. Isn't it brutal? Brutal. I'm official. It's so brutal. Especially when it's in the morning and uh, no one's drinking and the lights are on. Oh, it's just like where at in Texas? It was at a conference, so I bomb and then I get to Mc the rest of the day on last day. Oh, okay. So I've been in two talent shows. Tell me all about it. And I've tried to do stand-up because, 'cause I'm like, I can do like I love hosting and being like the skit leader, whatever. I get that like in scripted stuff. I love and I was like, oh yeah, stand-up easy. I'll like make a little routine and I'm over two I you're over.

I have over like have not gotten as much as a chuckle from stand-up comedy. That is So it interesting. Just like something that, I don't know, maybe a gene that some people have, but like just 'cause you like talking and speaking does not Oh no it doesn't. The stand-up comedy, it doesn't. And it's like most of the time if I did get a chuckle, they're not laughing with me.

They're laughing at me. Yeah. My friends say that quite often. Like all the funniest videos that I put out, no one laughs like at something that Nate says, they just laugh at like my misery or suffering. Aw. Which is like self-deprecating, which is funny, but like stand up is hard and especially stand up is very hard, especially when you go for your first one.

Like they're gonna love this and they don't laugh and you're like, shoot, alright, now we're screwed. We're behind the eight ball. Really coming outta there. I think the other weird thing is when you're also trying to be funny and clean. Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 'cause a lot of times comics are coming out, um, and they're shocking you, right?

Yeah. And that's a part of like warming up the crowd. So when you still know you're getting like, corporate gigs and you're still having bigger partnerships, it's hard. Corporate, corporate stand-up comedy might be a whole nother angle. Can you imagine? 'cause it's like, uh, I was at one, I was at a conference and they brought out a comedian and like he said, some dirty jokes and everyone's kind of like, Ooh, do I laugh?

Do I Yeah, right there. Do we laugh? Uh, and I'm like, and I was like a guest there. And I'm like, God, that's so funny. And it's like, this is like, it was, uh, for like a municipality, uhhuh. And it's like, I'm laughing 'cause I think it's funny, but everyone else doesn't wanna laugh 'cause No, they're scared. One, it's like 11 o'clock in the morning, everyone's hungry and wants to go to lunch.

Right? And two hrs over there like, can I laugh at that thing that this guy just said? Like, I don't know. No, it's totally brutal. I mean, like, one of the jokes that I had, um, was, uh, trying to, I was talking about the quest and I said, you know, don't worry because. You know, pat, you can bring me on the show and you don't even have to pay me.

And that's fine. 'cause I always wanted to know what it's like to be A-W-N-B-A player and the, the room just exploded in laughter because it's true. It's like, okay, well it doesn't ring true. WNBA players aren't paid right now. They're still negotiating, you know? Yeah. As, as it, as it went that lots past summer.

But then also it shows my eagerness to be a 40-year-old intern. Yeah. Um, on a, at an established brand. Right. Yeah. So it was, it was comical. But that line, I think that's funny too. It. It's so hard, um, with the way, just like the modern world works. Oh, where it's brutal. Like some stuff's just like meant to be funny uhhuh and not meant to be like, looked in deep.

And that's like, uh, the, the prime example of this was Shane Gillis at the ESPYs. Oh yeah. And he introduces this like, like WNBA All-Star. It's like, I knew you guys didn't watch the WNBA and it's like, you're like, do I laugh? Do I laugh? Is it wrong? And it's like, do I cri, what do I do? Just like meant to be funny, hard, and like not, it's hard meant to be looked into hard.

And like by doing that, you kind of like also then give yourself a pulse check. Like, yeah, you know what, maybe I could do a better job of knowing who the WNBA players are. Yeah, yeah. No, a hundred percent. And I think the other thing is, is we don't have in America the right to be forgotten like they do in, in Europe.

So when you pass away in Europe, you can press a button. They can press a button essentially, and everything that you've ever said or done online. Is gone. It's called the Right to Be Forgotten. And we don't have that in America. And I think that stops people from posting on social media. Some of our greatest C creators haven't done it 'cause they're like, like that, that joke that I just shared, what if that was the last thing I ever posted?

Like that's gonna live on longer than me. Right. So in one point it's nothing but junk mail. But then on the other side you're like, legacy. So everyone's just packed the right to be forgotten. The right to be forgotten. I've never heard of that. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, it's kind of my worst nightmare. Yeah, right. If you've been hunting for a brunch spot that understands food allergies and has bold flavors, look no further than Fire and Ice Cafe in Indianapolis, this hidden gem serves up European inspired dishes that are entirely gluten free. They're also completely free from peanuts, tree nuts, soy, sesame fish, and crustacean.

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Pay him off and then they don't need to go to college, blah, blah, blah. That's right. Run it off. And like now today he's just like another normal human being in Back then he was like, LaVar Ball is crazy. Yes. And now it's just every, the temperature's changed, right? Yeah. And he's had successful sons. What, what's your, uh, what, what's your big announcement with them? Yeah. Big announcement with Big Baller Brand is we have a gear deal. Oh. So they will be on our uniforms and LaVar will be sharing the good news about The Basketball League, TBL, and essentially getting this brand up and in front of everyone's face, top of mind. It is a challenge because there's so much, we're in 38 different markets across the country, three month long season.

We feed into the NBA G League. So what is The Basketball League? The Basketball League is a professional league that helps you get stats and videos so that you can go play anywhere else. All around the world. Yeah. So like where are the, where are the teams? Like what kind of teams are working with? We've got some here, we've got some in Kokomo and we have one in Lebanon and Hamilton County. Is this the Lebanon Leprechauns? Yes, this is the leprechauns. Have you been to one of the games? I haven't been to a game yet, but, uh, I got invited last year. Yeah, because is the season in the spring? Yes, we, uh, tip off is the 27th of Fe. February. February, okay. Coming up. I gotta make it to a leprechauns game this year.

Wait, what's the Kokomo team? Kokomo BobKats. The Kokomo BobKats. Okay. So this is, and what kind of players are you guys getting for The Basketball League? You know, we see all these great players in March Madness, but not everyone's getting drafted. Right. So where are they going? They're going overseas. Or now they can stay here.

Yeah. And we have, uh, players that have gone. We have three players that are fantastic, one of which is Lindy Waters. He's in the NBA now. So we have proof of concept and we've had 20 guys make it into the G League. Okay. NBA G League and yeah, all players that played in college. So it's like they graduate from wherever.

Maybe they like had a crazy cool run in March Madness or something, but like didn't get drafted. What people know is also, there's only two rounds of the NBA draft, right. Like there's not that many opportunities. Brutal. Then you go through some free agent signing, stuff like that, and it's like the rest of the people.

It's like, pack your bags, you're headed to China. Yeah. What? And they pay well, I mean, yeah, you're lucky. Or, you know, Philippines has, they have great leagues there, like Europe, like Uhhuh. There's a lot of European leagues too. Right. You've gotta leave where you'll see like, uh, like iconic, oh, like, you know, uh, big East players.

Mm-hmm. They're like, don't go to the NBA. It's like, oh yeah, you one way, one way flight to, uh, China or wherever. That's where you're gonna, that's, I mean, Jimmer Fredette is like, yeah. He is like the epitome of Chinese basketball. It's amazing. He was like a lights out college basketball player, like never really panned out in the league.

And then all of a sudden he's like getting his jersey retired in China. Like, let's go. They're not go, they're not gonna tear that school down. Yeah. But yes. Okay. It's, it's an interesting, it's an interesting thing. What makes us different? Like I went to the opening of the Noblesville Boom. Yeah. This season, the new facility there, gorgeous.

What is it? Innovation Mile or whatever tech. Yes, yes. Uh, innovation mile. Innovation Mile. And, well, there were a lot of people there. It was free, and the coach was so excited. Bless his heart. He got on the mic and he said, this is so amazing because last year, despite all the marketing and dollar spent, we only averaged six to seven fans per game, six to seven. That's what he said. And I was like, wait a minute, hold up. Well, I did some research and it's because their tickets Nate, it's like 50 to 65 bucks. They're starting around that price point. Well, if you're gonna pay that, you might as well go downtown at the Pacers and see the varsity team Varsity. Because they were playing first the jv they were playing at Cambridge, weren't they?

Right. And they moved, imagine playing in because mm-hmm. From the time they were in Fort Wayne. Yeah. They bring 'em down here. Yep. And then they play in, uh, game Bridge. Right. And it's G League. Like talk about crickets. Crickets. That be hard. Crickets. And so what's different between us, because we're, we're never gonna be the NBA, we're never gonna be the NBAG league, but what we are is a community asset.

So our players are sometimes living there year round. They're plugging in their substitute teaching. Huge on financial literacy community. Yeah. Everything. So then. When you go to like a, a Lebanon game or a Kokomo game, you're gonna see the stands filled sometimes with other teams fans. Yeah. Because, you know, you got the national anthem being sang by the high school or, and then you've got folks performing at halftime.

So it's really, they really are about community. It's a little different and it's like another layer of entertainment. Yes. Like the product of basketball goes up. Like obviously everyone in Indiana loves high school basketball. Yes. You take a step up from that. 'cause also not everyone can make it to iu, Purdue, Notre Dame Butler. Oh yeah. Like all these, like all star pricey You Indianapolis. Yeah. It's like there, there's that level too. And you have that whole atmosphere with a bunch of students and then Someplaces like Lebanon. Yeah. It's like, okay, well are you gonna drive, you know, 45 minutes to Noblesville or whatever it is.

Mm-hmm. Or like, there's a good product of basketball right here in our yard. Right. That's like an asset to our community and another attraction for people to go spend, you know, a Thursday night out at a leprechauns game. Yeah. And that guy also coached our youth team, right? Yeah. So it's, let's go Seed Smith play like host, uh.

Like clinics or whatever there, that's it. Which helps pour back into the community.

That's it. So there's 38 markets? Yes. All across the country. Wow. And my parents are like absolutely community obsessed. So this is for them from, if you hear my mom tell it, who? My mother, Evelyn Magley, first woman to own two men's pro sports leagues.

Even before Dany Garcia. I incredible. Right. Wait, what? What's the second league? Oh, basketball Super league. That's in Canada. Yes, in Canada. Five month long season. And, uh, it's just an interesting thing because for her, when she tells the story, she's so passionate. This is a God-given vision. I wanna help people reach their dreams.

So, for example, you got somebody who's an in-game host at Kokomo, who's now the in-game host at the NBA G League. Over here in the boom, every single person's moving up. So that means officials, the, the referees, the sportscasters, the statisticians, the dancers. Everyone wants to be in the NBA. So they're cutting their teeth with TBL.

And that is the vision. That's super cool. And. In a world of, um, instant gratification, right? Yes. Where sometimes people see, you know, oh, I posted a bunch of videos about being a statistician, and now they get their chance in the big league mm-hmm. Because they went viral. And it's like, that's not everyone's case. Right. You know, the, the world of cutting your teeth. Mm-hmm. Like doing, doing the work, doing the stats for the Omo Bobcats. Yes. And working your way up to the Noblesville Boom and working your way up to maybe the fever and the pacers and getting the opportunity. That's right. It's like you gotta put in work over a long period of time.

We had Tommy Short on the podcast. Okay. He was a Division I, um, men's basketball referee. Okay. And he talks about like going from, I mean, from the time he was graduated high school, he was like all in on being an official. Oh my gosh. And his goal was to make it to the NBA. He ended up getting a couple tryouts, not getting into the NBA, but topping out at Division I and some USA basketball stuff.

Mm-hmm. And he's like, talks about the grind of just like, I'm on the road. I'm doing, you know. The American Athletic Conference, and then I get up to the ACC and then, you know, a Big Ten game here or there, or like a tournament game here or there. And it's a grind for sure. And like that's happening at all facets. Like whether you're an in-game host, whether you're a statistician, the, you know, the PA announcer, whatever it might be. That's right. You're putting your time in. Ronnie Nunn who used to run the officials and the NBA is, uh, runs our officials and he said in a presentation over our TBL draft combine weekend that NBA officials are making around $250,000. I mean, I, I believe that if that's true, you see why it's so competitive, like that's insane.

Also in context, what are NFL. I'm, what are they making? What are those officials making? 'cause I'm pretty sure those guys still have full-time jobs. Shout, shout. Go listen to our episode of Bryan Neale. Is that true? Yeah. From Blind Zebra. He is, uh, he runs his sales, uh, sales and coaching company here, Uhhuh. And he is an NFL official. He's been in the Superb Bowl. Is that interesting? Yeah. It's not a full-time gig like it is, um, NBA, which is kind of crazy. It's ridiculous. And with the, with the N NBA a though, there's so many games, obviously. There's so many, so many games, you're always on the road. Many versus, you know, 17 for NFL. It's true, it's true. It's like you give up 17 weekends. I bet they, I don't know. I bet it's com I bet it's comparable, but I could see it being less 'cause it's less of a time commitment. Do you, do you wanna know who the most fit officials are of the soccer? Oh. 'cause I mean, you gotta be able to put in miles. I mean, they're just, they're running, they're more than athletes. What's interesting though, too, is like, if you go down, do you guys have trouble finding officials? Ooh, if you ask our coaches, they would, they would be like, oh man, these officials. 'cause all coaches complain. Yeah. But no, actually our, uh, our program helps train officials for the NBA because apparently there's no.

Real ongoing league for officials. Yeah. So we're really fortunate to supply them with a lot of officials. I mean, going down to like high school and further down, like mm-hmm. There is, I believe, don't quote me on this, but like a national official shortage because like kids, you know, the ones to get screamed at. Yeah. Like who was, and coaches are meaner than ever. It's like, who wants to sign up for it? Like, tell me the last time that you've seen a young official, like rarely. I know we had one. So I'm the high, I'm the head wrestling coach at Bishop Chatard. Very nice. Um, love it. And that's why I always try to be mindful because there's there, there's not many of 'em left and the average age of officials keep getting older.

We had a first year guy for the sectional and you know, he didn't make it is his first time. Ugh. He made some bad calls and I'm like trying everything that I can do to not scream at this guy because he's not doing the best job. And it's like, hey. Everyone had to start somewhere. Right. You know, and he ends up like correcting some stuff gets better.

It's a learning experience. Mm-hmm. But like if everyone just screams at him and does whatever, then it's like, oh, well why would I do this for 85 bucks? Or whatever it is. Like, no thanks. I'll just like keep chilling and being my arms armchair expert, you know? Yes. Coaching from the sideline. It's a challenge.

Yeah. It's a challenge. But we are fortunate that we put on a great show. Yeah. So you have solid officials. There's dance teams with every team, you know, and sometimes there's even like a pep band in the crowd, depending on where they came from. And it's a full experience. Yeah. Like you're walking in, playing in smaller venues. Yeah. Yeah. So it's gonna feel more full. Yeah. Is it hard to. Keep brand consistency across the country being a smaller league based here in Noblesville. Yes. Um, it is, it is challenging. I've just now taken over the social media. Yeah. And that's its own beast. I don't know how you all do it. It's constant. Oh, never stops.

I mean, the tags, the likes. Oh yeah. It is just ding ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. I think it's a 24 adv. 24 7 thing. Oh. And that's like what it used to be like. I feel like brands were like, okay, yeah, you're the marketing, blah, blah, blah. You type blog posts. And you can also run the social media. You just threw it in there.

Now the best brands you need like a full-time, full-time manager. A full-time admin for your account. Yeah. Maybe multiple. Mm-hmm. If you really wanna do social media well, like we're, we just launched the get in sports. Um. Instagram. Oh, congrat. And we're kinda like sharing some stuff to it, but like, until we find the right person to come in and be a full-time admin for that.

So hard, it, it just like, you can't halftime it because then people know, and then your most loyal fans mm-hmm. Will see that it's just like halftime, like eh, kind of thing. And they'll be like out on it and then you're just like, you're wasting your time. It's wild. Yeah. And also you're walking this line of like, it's get in, but it's also like Nate, right?

Yeah. And they wanna see, they wanna see an anchor, they wanna see a familiar face. And that's why you see, you know, like a, a lizard for an insurance company or flow. You need that. Forward facing person. Yeah. So it is an interesting line to walk with social media. What are, what are some of the, uh, most interesting markets?

You said you have 38 of them, obviously Kokomo and Lebanon, but are there other interesting markets across the country? There are. I'm obviously more obsessed with the ones that are local, but I would also say that Potawatomi Fire are fantastic. The, where's that at? Um, they have a casino and everything.

They're just the three time champs. You gotta look 'em up. But they, they run a fantastic, fantastic show. Potawatomi they are. I mean, is it a Milwaukee area? No, no, no, no, no, no. I am having a, like a senior moment. Oh, Oklahoma. Yes. Sorry. Potawatomi Fire, fire Way. All the things. And I think they put on a great show.

I've gotta get down to one of their games this year. But they have won the championship three times in a row. 23, 24, 25. Yeah. They're in Oklahoma. Let's go. That's sick. Wow. And okay, who were the three, uh, players that made it to the NBA? Oh, my, ah, my brain. I haven't had my coffee today. Let me pull this up. I know we got, we got Lindy.

Oh, you're fine. Well, we got Lindy Waters is number, is our number one. And then from there we also have Sam Daniel, Othyus Jeffers. These guys are in the G League. But then the main ones that we are focusing on are, um, Kylor Kelley, Craig Sword. And there's another one that, that was quite famous that got in a little bit of trouble.

We don't mention him. And then Xavier Moon. So yes, yes. Those are our main ones. But I would say like Lindy Waters, Kylor Kelley. Yeah. The ones to really keep your eyes on. Yeah. These guys are also winning, um, in the finals of the championship or the G League last year. That's awesome. So, yeah. Wow. So, so cool.

And when you think about all the things that you're doing mm-hmm. What gets you the most fired up? Me, I love my own personal brand. I, yeah. I find that, um, The Basketball League is helping the most people, so that's very fulfilling. But I love my personal brand. My Big V vision is to, you know, I'm, I am crazy enough to believe that I can be on a stage hosting Golden Globes.

Why not? Why not dream that big? Yeah. Be that wild and skill up, um, whether it's in content creation or if it is in stand-up. So I have huge dreams. Yeah. Huge dreams. I mean, which is, which is cool. I think that. I dunno. Sometimes the world has a way of, uh, shirking people's dreams and like Oh yeah. And like boxing them in to not believe they can do crazy amazing things.

And it's like, even if you, you know, dream for the Golden Globes and end up at, you know, the Indianapolis local Emmys, like, it's still sick. Oh, it's fun. Very cool. It's so fun. And I just think, um, you know, I don't, I don't wanna take myself too seriously. Yeah. And I think that's what I hope to leave for my kids to see, you know, they were a part of, they've been part of both of these quests that you don't have to wait.

What are they doing for, what are they? Oh man. And that's the thing, no one realized I did the quest myself. Like they're behind the camera, they're filming me or they ever like, mom chill. Never. That's so great. They're like, yeah, they're not too cool for me yet. Yeah, they're not too cool for How are your kids?

13 and 11. Oh, you're getting close? Yeah. Oh, they could be, could turn, could turn. They kinda think it's cool. And then like, one wonder, I'm not getting hugs in public, you know, I'm not getting hugs in public anymore, so we're right west where we are. How cool though to like. Be a role model. Mm-hmm. That says like, don't give up on your dreams. Yeah. Like don't, don't give up. And really what do you have to lose? My insignificance is what empowers me to be so bold. What do I have to lose? Yeah. You know, I got nothing to lose here, so why not just go for it? So that's my big V vision. That's the thing I'm most excited about. Yeah. When it comes to branding is, is myself.

What could that look like when you think about the hundred Stage Quest? Yes. What, you know, like in October, November, December. Yep. What stages are you? Are you like maybe considering talking about where are some wheels starting to turn, where it's like, ah, it would be really awesome if in one year I worked from, you know, the Get IN podcast and this was a springboard to get us to obviously the Golden Globes down the road.

Yeah. But like where would be like a cool one that we could see you maybe at the end of this year? You know, I'm hoping, um, if they have the Rally innovation conference Yeah. To get to mc. That fourth, third year was really neat last year, bro. Your promo with the Money gun wasn't Let's go. That was so funny.

Alex Rodriguez actually, yeah. Insane. I had Bo Turner on the podcast. She's just incredible. Oh, she rocks. And she was talking about like one of her promos where she used a money gun and I was. Did it happen to be Jennifer Mag's money gun? There's only one money gun around you. She's like, there's only one controlling the weather. There's only one T-shirt. Cannon. There's also only one money gun. Only in Indiana. That's right. Just,

just one money gun. Like isn't that, that's like the most Indiana thing too. That, that I would know if you said, yeah, I was using a t-shirt cannon for a video. I was like, oh, you probably got it from the hanger, from the hangar's. Oh, you were using a money gun for a video. Oh, you probably got that from Jennifer. That's right. And there were real dollars in there. Oh, when I use it, it's always real money because you gotta make an entrance, right? If you're gonna mc an event, you gotta bring the spirit. You gotta bring the possesses as That's crazy.

So yeah, real money. Real money. And the best is $7 at a time if you're gonna hand throw it. I practice with my sons 'cause I'm like, you know, you need memories of your first making it rain with your mommy. So it ruins it for you in the future. Yes. This is ta forever. We just literally throw it in the air, just throwing it.

How did we, how did we land on $7 at a time? Um, because we tested it, we tried $10 and the money wouldn't really. Fall. If you don't have a money gun, but it's $7, if you can grab them, then it will fly. And that gives you enough time to walk to. 'cause you're, when you're walking, throwing money, it's, you don't know how big the room is.

Right. So I'm walking to the stage throwing money, uh, before I go up to mc and I've gotta make sure that I've got enough dollars Yeah. To make it a stage. Because what if you run out? Yeah. So 35 bucks, you got five sets of seven, you're ready to rock. Yeah. Oh, you wanna, if you're gonna make it rain on the way to a stage, you wanna plan on 200 ones and watch the face of the bank teller when you ask for that many ones. No comment. They will be no comment. I've never faces, I get, I've never done that before. No chance. The, the faces I get, they're like, where are you going? And I say, wouldn't you like to know? They have no clue. I'm going to a women's luncheon and I'm insane event. They're gonna never thought that. They're like women's luncheon. Yeah. Yeah. They're like a what? Say what? That's right. So what? Incredible. Yeah. Rappers don't have to be the only ones having fun. Yeah. When you th Yeah man, I'm actually going to the Excel World Championship. Excel World Championship. That's right. Indeed. So when you think about all of the fun that you've had, yes. If there was a singular moment that stuck out to you as one of those pinch me moments where you're just like, how am I so fortunate? How am I so lucky to be able to get to do this? Where is that moment at Paint The picture for us, this is gonna be really cheesy, but it would be when my kids had the day off from school during the first season of Quest and I had heard everybody at the Thunderdome drove trucks.

And I went to a ram truck dealership and my kids videotaped it and I was just, you know, talking about how great ram trucks were and the kids thought it was hysterical. Ram trucks, Ram trucks. And, and it was just the best piece of content. And I think they'll always remember that. 'cause they got into the truck, they saw how big it was, they're like, mom, do you really think you'll be on the show?

And I was like, yeah, wink, wink. You know, for sure I'm gonna be on the show. And they just, it was just so neat because, you know, we're rolling around in a Kia, we're grateful it's paid off, but just to get to see what a bigger life, a four door truck, an all wheel drive. I mean, you just got in a, a, you know, you got a house that's like a hundred thousand dollars car.

So I think that was just the coolest moment. That's a year at IMG right here, you know, in your ram truck. So it was just that, believe it or not, it would pinch me. I was like, I'm living the dream. You know? These kids are seeing what it's like. Yeah. And, and they loved it. And at the end of the day, what I do love.

About people who are authentic with their brand and authentic with their social media is. A hundred years from now, you know, as long as things keep progressing the way it is. Right. Like this will still be a collection of like, oh, grandpa Nate was so silly. Like remember when Grandpa Nate was a young man and he went to a thousand towns in Indiana?

Yes, he was was crazy. Epic. And, and it's just like, you know, you get one life, you might as well, eh. I don't know. I feel like that does sound kind of like dove chocolate rapy. Aw. But like having this mentality that the world can be what you want it to be. Right. And obviously it takes a lot of hard work. I think a lot of people think, oh, you just post on social media and good things end up.

Oh, I know. It's like, dude, they don't remember the first 113 videos where we didn't get over like 10,000 views. Yes. And all my friends are like, dude, are you really trying to be an influencer? Like, you gotta chill. Yeah. Like, it's kind of embarrassing. Like we're secondhand embarrassed for you. It's, and that limits people because they don't wanna be embarrassed.

Right? Yeah. Well, and they like when your friends or your family or whoever, like one day, let's say your kids are like, oh gosh, mom's up. It's like, it's not the fact that they don't like your personality uhhuh or like what you put out. They just don't wanna see you fail. Mm. Like so often I, for, for me anyway, it feels like the people that historically, now they're all like, oh my gosh, whatever crazy thing you're doing.

Like if you're selling, I'm buying buddy. But like when people first get the idea to take these big swings, those close to you might not be. As Gungho supportive. Oh, because they don't wanna see you fail. They're scared because they care about you. Definitely. And the other thing that people don't see is to get on a hundred stages, I am pitching 20 cold calls a day.

So my kids would rather be a part of content creation than watch me just on the computer pitching myself. Yeah. Constantly. And, okay, today was 20, it's 30, like it's 40. Does does that ever get hard, having to sell yourself and like, oh, I just, no, thank you, sir. May have another, I love rejection. Yeah. I mean, I got rejected.

I was supposed to do World Tag Championship mc in Paris. I was so excited about it. It's where adults play tag. And uh, then they were like, you know what, actually we're gonna go with somebody who speaks French. And I'm like, that, that totally makes sense. Right? And, and so I was bummed out. Yeah. The world like, turns out you're not it. That's right. Well, ES ESPN Ocho has like 75 hours of content a year that they put on. And my goal is to be on as mini as 75. So p we're waiting on the Pillow Fight Championship right now. To get back to me, you need to get in that, like, have you seen the one with the big, like cylinder, like the tire? Oh my.

And we shove the other person. It's like tire wrestling. Oh my gosh. I wanna mc that. There's weird, there's weird like cool quirky, weird stuff that like, oh my gosh, if you ever like, can't sleep at 3:00 AM and you turn that on, you're like. What is happening? There's maybe cornhole, like the cornhole chain would love to do it.

That actually might not even be on the O show anymore. That might be like, yeah. ESPN three. Right. That I mean, and, and I just, anything that I can do. 'cause I mean, that's how Rogan started, right? Fear factor. Yeah. So you might as well just get on, yeah, get on all your other, what's like the craziest opportunity that's been, maybe you didn't take it or you didn't get it, but like you're, you never thought in a million years you'd be applying for like the World Chase Tag Championship or like you're trying to pitch yourself to be the host of Slippery Stairs competition. I really want it, I want it so bad. It's two stories high. They cover it with like a tarp and some type of fluid and people got. People gotta get up to the top. I would just love to say Jennifer Magley here from the Slippery Stairs competition. I mean, I can play it straight, you know, I can be your sportscaster.

Yeah. So I just think that that would be just so much fun. The the, I think the only one I couldn't do would be the slapping. Oh, that doesn't that look painful? Where like,

they sit there and they hold on and then someone just slaps, them and there's like people standing waiting to.

Catch 'em. Have we regressed a little bit there. Like I know, but it's like, I don't know. You know, like at some point you had to do that for the first time and say, and know, how did you know you were good? This is fun. Yeah. You know, like, this is what I wanna be a part of. Yeah. So I don't mind rejection. But the slapping you, know that's, I feel like that's my, that's my line. Oh. I feel like I could dive into so many different fun things. When you think about the community mm-hmm. How can people in the state of Indiana show up to support you? Oh, that's kind. I would just say keeping me, I call it Tom, top of mind. Yeah, that's, that would be awesome. And then also count me in your corner.

Who can I connect you with? Who can I. You know, what is your, what is your wildest dream? That brings me a lot of joy. I'm a former recruiter, talent recruiter, so I really enjoy connecting Yeah. Connecting people. Well, and if listeners out there have an event that they wanna bring a little bit of life to Yeah.

Like they do. I mean, and I'm a method dresser, so you know, when I'm doing, I'm milking cows. I already got my stars and stripes, overalls for the summer. Um, if it's a 3000, 3000, is that was Indiana dairy? It, it might be. Oh yeah. There's also corn eating competition. Yeah. Um, you know, I, I don't know if I got the skills, but maybe on the, my, I, here's a, uh, here's a little plug too.

We're, we're teaming up with, uh, Indiana Pork there. Oh. And we're doing our first Pigpen podcast. Me. It just rolls off the tongue in a pork producer in a pig pen with pigs running around two mics. We're gonna be chatting all things bacon. I love that. You gotta get some meta glasses on the pigs. Oh, they're like getting, they're getting the content.

Like strap a GoPro to that. Oh my God. That would be pretty fun. That sounds so delicious. Oh, think about this. You turn the GoPro backwards on the pig and you grease it up and you try to like get video trying to catch the, trying to catch these little piggies. That would be pretty fun. I love it. Yeah. Um, so we're coming to the end of the show where we talk all things Indiana.

Yes. This question is brought to you by our friends at JC Hart. They're a leader at creating enjoyable living experiences at apartment communities all across Indiana and beyond. Check them out at homeisjchart.com. My question for you, Jennifer, why do you call Indiana home? First time I came here, I ate at a Patachou back in the day, Cafe Patachou on Pennsylvania Street.

The original occasion. Yeah. Shout out Martha Hoover. I know. And I was like, you know what? This is so incredible. I had traveled the world, I felt, I felt like I could be anywhere in the world. So I call it home because there are moments where you could be anywhere in the world if you know where to. Yeah, I would find them. I do think the stereotype is that like Indiana's uncultured and it's only pork tenderloins and bush light, which like, I enjoy both of those. So like, I'm not upset about it, but there is, um, there are a lot of people that have built cool things with global influence. There are, I mean, if you guys, if you go back and listen to the episode with, with Martha Hoover, she talks about spending time over in France Yes.

And bringing that inspiration back to create a Petite Chou mm-hmm. On Broad Ripple. Oh yeah. Like the champagne wine brunch spot. It's a whole vibe. Yeah, it totally is. Um, I do have to ask, you are also a published author. Yes. Talk to me about, uh, I think the book's called How to Be Queen. Yeah, it's a leadership fable.

I rewrote the Tortoise in the Hare. So it's literally very long and very short. It's like a menu you can get, read it over your lunch break. And if you remember the old self-development heads that are watching this will remember, um, who's who moved My Cheese or The Greatest Salesman in the World. Yeah. And I thought we needed a book like that from a woman's point of view.

Yeah. And so I did it. It's really hard to write a fable. I don't know if you've ever tried. I've not. I've not. It's so hard. So why? Um, you have to be able to take the reader on a journey that makes sense and shows transformation. So it's harder to write a book that's 75 pages than it is a book that's 175. Yeah. 'cause brevity is important. It's very thing to capture them. And every, every word you know, is leading 'em to the next word, leading to the next page. So especially when they pick it up, they have to be like, locked in to go buy this book or whatever. It's, I had a story coach who's given some great TED Talks.

Her name is Lisa Cron, and she says, if plot is what story, if plot is what happens to you, story is how it changes you. Oh. So a lot of times a lot of people share plot points, but they don't share the actual change. Yeah. And that's, that was the thing I had to do in that book. What is a common misconception of tennis? I would say that it's, uh, really close to pickleball. The tennis elitist will, they don't, they don't, they don't mess with pickleball. Do you play pickleball? Oh my gosh. I played against, um, uh, Fabian Rodriguez Fabian's, the man. He and I, I literally felt my knee swelling up and my knee had no issues previously.

I was like, this is some kind of special sport right here that it's just a lot of. A lot of side to side. That's a lot. And I just, but it's fun. I, it is fun. It is fun. The problem is I'm a bad beginner. Mm-hmm. So I'm bad at everything I do at first, I just get hyperfocused and don't stop. Yeah. And that's how I get good.

So it would take me a while to get good at pickleball. But a common misperception is that they're, they're cousins. I think they're more like, um, BFFs. Oh, okay. I don't think they're even related. Is like, uh, is tennis a gateway drug to pickleball? Or is pickleball a gateway drug to tennis? My hot take is pickleball is a lifestyle.

It's not a sport. Oh. I know people don't like that. I feel that though. They don't like that. I feel like tennis as an adult mm-hmm. Is so hard. It's so hard because like the ball is small. People can, it's insane crank on that thing. Yeah. And I'm like, I, I'm done. It's over. Like, I, I just, it's so, so much skill. Yeah. It's not that much fun. We're a pickleball. You can come in and like, in a few sessions be serviceable and like a fun little, like doubles. I'm, I'm going to get even more polarizing here and I'm gonna say tennis is the equivalent of playing the violin. Pickleball is like learning how to play a rhythm drum. Oh. Mm-hmm. I sat by that. I like that. I like that. You know, it just, it's like the pickleball with the, the people with like a four or five DUPR are gonna be really upset about that. That they're gonna be so mad. And you better come me in the comments. It helps. Yeah. Here we go. Come on. Parents. Yes. Parents of.

Athletes, when you think about instilling hard work into kids. Mm-hmm. And like giving them this competitive edge and really pouring into them without being the crazy super parent that gets them to burn out and hate the thing. Yeah. What's your thoughts? What's advice? What can parents do out there to encourage their kids to work hard, but not be total psychos? Drop 'em off at practice and leave. Tell 'em, watch 'em practice. Like if they can't figure it out on their own, and if the coach can't get it out of them as a parent, I think the issue is they wanna be the coach too. Just be the parent, you know? Just be the parent. And if you have a uniquely driven kid that wants it so bad, your job is to help them relax, not to amplify their disappointment when they lose, or to point out how they're, they're not there.

So I think knowing your role, knowing your kid, what's the most memorable advice you've ever received after an athletic competition? My dad is holding his breath and so scared. He would be like, you gotta have some freaking heart. That's what he always says. You gotta have some heart and beats his chest.

But I do think that the best advice I receive is two questions. Did you try your hardest? Did you have fun? Because if you did those, then you are a winner today. Yeah. And that was how I was raised. But he was all about the heart, so Yeah. And he's like, ah, we preach that too, where sometimes the results are what the results are.

Yeah. And like you might not have hit the best shots or Right. You might not have scored the most points or whatever it is, but you know, based on your effort. Mm-hmm. Like the product that you're putting out there. Yes. Like sometimes the person across the whatever from you across the court. Mm-hmm. Across the field, whatever it might be, they could just be better. Oh yeah. All the time and like on a certain day all the time. But it's a little bit. A lot of it how you competed. Yeah. And that just gets me fired up where it's like, have enough respect for yourself, your team. Mm-hmm. Your family, the game. Yeah. Your organization to just put your best foot forward, put the best product you have out there, and then let the results fall. I think also, if you're going into a moment where you know that this person is better than you, like my thought is I'm not gonna beat you. How can I ruin your day? So fair. I feel like as a competitor, if you can help your child understand if, if I'm not leaving you a winner, you're gonna have a bad day.

Yeah. Yeah. What can I, what can I do to give myself a chance to even get on the board? Yeah. How can I be scrappy? How can I just stick around? How can I just not give up? That's what I mean, you know, it's just like absolute, not could just ruin their day a little bit, you know? Mm-hmm. You might win, but you're gonna remember this. If there was someone out there that. Wants to be a speaker. Mm-hmm. That wants to be a stand-up com. What advice do you have for people to pursue maybe that career path that is a little bit more, um, not as laid out? Like, it's not like Right. You can't go, I mean, I don't know, maybe you could to go to college and be a professional speaker.

Yeah. But like, how can you start to pursue that career path? Yeah. They say on average that this, from my recruiter days, every person's gonna change jobs a minimum of 18 times. So knowing that, uh, that every high school graduate has that, I would just say learn to skill up in your negotiation skills. I think that's the most important thing, knowing how to extreme anchor, walk it back, change your offering, not your pricing.

I think those are the type of tangible, how can I be successful? Tips that will help translating the thing that you're doing for free and that you love into something that actually generates and brings money into your pocket. Yeah. Yeah. I, I mean, speaker is so, it's such. Challenging, but also rewarding career.

And I just get tied up. Especially a lot of like, whether it's social media or speaking or anything like that. Like, like an hour of someone's time, like out there, you know? Uh, whoever it might be. Like the most famous people. Yeah. An hour, an hour long talk is a quarter of a million dollars. Right. And I, and I think that there's different types of speakers.

Yeah. There's celebrity speakers. Yeah. And those make the most money, but it doesn't mean that they're best, they're the best speaker that they don't know how to, they don't know how to tell a story. Sometimes the best speakers are the ones that. Yeah. Just tell the most compelling story that might not have this crazy Right.

You know, like when Magic Johnson comes to speak at Rally, it's so cool. Everyone wants to be there, but sometimes on like the side stage back in the corner at two 30 in the afternoon, yes. You can find the best presenter. Yeah. Your, your life may change back there. Yeah. And that person might be pulling in 10 K.

Yeah. But, um, I, I do think that the city of Indie, if we continue to pay people to speak and mc and have art and the more that we pay, 'cause money's going out to food as money's going out to hotels, they're just not budgeting in all the time. For speakers, for people to amplify their mission on shows. I think as indie levels up, that's gonna help the creative community here as a whole. Absolutely. Okay. We've come to the final portion of the show where we ask the guests the same three questions all about the state of Indiana. First question. Yes. From Kansas to Florida, you have, you know, you're part of The Basketball League and you have teams in 38 different markets all across the country.

And if you could scream it from the rooftops, what's one thing the world needs to know about Indiana? This is the place where your dream can come true. This is why IEDC gives us an a rating for best place to do business is because you can reach out when a three sentence message on LinkedIn to meet for coffee and people will tell you Yes.

In Indiana. Yeah, absolutely. The, we had Kristian Andersen on mm-hmm. Um, from High Alpha and he talked about Speed City, not just meeting the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and all the great things happening out there, but speed to level up your career. Speed to go buy a house. Yes. Speed to, you know, advance your community and your network and all those things.

It's so true. Yes. In time and time again, uh, obviously like tons of guests come on and say like, like. Are a testament to that, where like, I reached out to so-and-so, like I just had, um, mark Lafa, he's the founder of Old Major. Mm. Uh, it's like bacon and sausage and, you know, artisan meats. And he pestered Bill Oesterle, who was like iconic Indiana type and tennis player and an Oh, I didn't know that. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, he said he reached out and pestered him for like three months, Uhhuh. And at the end of it, like he was also one of the original like co-founders of Angie's List. Mm-hmm. And he gave him time and then became a mentor and then helped him, you know, like leased him space for, uh, old majors first, uh, wow.

Uh, like facility. Crazy cool People in Indiana really do care. Accessible. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. This is your opportunity to enlighten us about a part of the state that you love, that more people need to be talking about. What is a hidden gem in Indiana? Hidden Gem in Indiana, I, I'm obsessed with Borage. I really truly am because they bring culture to Speedway in a way that is so unique.

You feel like you've walked into a little Paris bistro in regards to the pastries in the front, and you can get the eggs and the meats and all the things. Shout out to them. They know I'm in their corner. I live, you know, in Brownsburg. So it's like an oasis for me of, Food and culture and community. Borage, Borage. This place. That's all. That's what I'm all about. Wow. Yeah. Hidden Gym, that OpenTable. Diners' Choice 2024. Come on now. Let's check that bakery. Let's see what we got. What are we working with? Oh. Savory pastries. Oh, sweet. Oh my goodness. It's delicious. That looks fire. It's totally elevated.

Yeah. If you wanna impress your friends, swing through lo Oh, okay. Wait, this, you're speaking my language here. They got bread, they have loaves to take home. They have loaves. We got the sourdough maple oat croissant sourdough with Japanese milk. Sourdough. Baguette. Sourdough. Bri, I mean gluten-free. And then the seasonal, look at us. Look at that. We're so stuck up. Come on now. Yeah, that's the, that's the tennis, that's the country club, tennis sport to be coming out there. I see. Very. My, my tastes are nothing but fine. There we go. Final question for you. This is where we get guest recommendations and learn about other Hoosiers that are doing inspiring things.

Who's the Hoosier we need to keep on our radar? Someone who's doing big things. I would have to say Rachel Rodriguez, owner of Knead Therapeace. She has one of the most renowned massage therapy businesses in Indiana Services And. Supports a lot of Pacers players and a ton of Colts players. Wow. So if you're looking to have a massage at your house, they've got a huge team they can come to you, bring a chef.

It's a whole situation. Wow. So been a client of theirs for a year. Knead Therapeace? K-N-E-A-D and then TheraPeace. Peace. As in peace sign. Wow. Yeah. If you like that deep, deep tissue massage. Oh yeah. If you got, you know, those knots, the size of ping pong balls and your, let's go your upper body like I do, they're gonna get 'em out. That's fire. Yeah. Um, amazing, Jennifer. We're honored to have been stage number 19. Thank you for having me on. Let's go. You're just about 20% of the way there, and you're only a couple, like, not even a couple months into the year. You're on good pace. I think if by memory my public math serves, you gotta get to, you know, six more by the end of March.

Plenty of time. Yeah, no, no worries. We've 30, you're 30 scheduled. Oh, let's go. Um, yeah, we're, we're gonna get there Yeah. For November. Absolutely. Yeah. So if you're out there and you have an event or a stage or an, a captive audience that is intentional and wants to, you know, bring some energy and, you know, work with Jennifer, obviously, uh, let's, let's put this together, you know.

Oh, thank you. 81 more. That's way too much public math at the end of a show. 80. One more. Let's get the job done. Yeah. It's awesome to learn your story. I, I just like, am really. Stuck on the idea of athletes being obsessed with whatever their craft is completely. And how can we all take that and imple implement that into whatever our thing is, whether it's Indiana, whether it's stages, whether it's getting on Pat McAfee show, how can we bring a little bit of healthy obsession mm-hmm.

Into what we're doing to then, you know, do that for an extended period of time and see what the results are. I guarantee good things will happen from that and like athletes are some of the best examples of that. But just these quests that you're going on are so fun. If people can wanna find you, if they wanna follow along on social media, how can they do that? Yes. Instagram is where the quests live. I'm mostly on LinkedIn though. Yeah. But yeah, follow along it is Sure. To um, surprise you every day. Yeah. Well keep, keep being yourself. Thank you. Keep making authentic content. Yeah. Uh, I think that it's one of those things too. Uh, this is my closing piece where you're like, oh my gosh, is she really like that, exciting and high energy?

And the truth is, yes. And she is. The money gun exists. Let's go. I should have brought it. I know. I kind of thought we were gonna get a little wrap. That side. Come on. Uh, it was a pleasure to talk to you and we'll connect soon. This show is made possible by our friends up at Sweetwater. Whether you're looking to start a podcast or take your content to the next level, click the link in the description to see all my gear recommendations at Sweetwater.

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Jennifer Magley

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Date Published

Mar 2, 2026