it's not set in stone yet pressure may end up in the Kardashians take the feedback and incorporate that into what you're producing next gold I want to work so that this is what it looks like all the time where was like that first Tipping Point where you were like wow we're really doing this from South Bend to Evansville and everywhere in between this is get in the show focused on the hooer state and the incredible stories happening here today I'm Nate spangle founder of G Indiana and I will be your host for today's conversation today I'm joined by bam a 26-year-old modern pop artist and
producer from Indianapolis and he's heavily shaped by the city's music scene his music has been featured on the Kardashians and the Hulu original Show sex appeal bam was raised in a musical family he absorbed elements of underground house Acid Jazz and Neo Soul blending them into a futuristic pop sound and we're going to get to that later we have the board all queued up we're going to listen to a song and just you're you're going to experience how I felt the first time I listened to his music it's awesome he has millions of streams and prominent features in film and TV he continues to bring
his hooer roots to a global stage today we're going to be talking about his Indiana roots and those early influences his musical journey and how you get a song on a Hulu original show or on one of the most popular shows in the world right and his future plans and vision uh for what's coming down the pipeline I am welcome to get in hey thanks for having me Nate dude I am pumped about this one we were just talking about before we started Rolling Indiana and Indianapolis Indianapolis specifically is missing a modern musical artist that's really blown up obviously we have John Cougar melon Camp
right South like Michael Jackson from Gary you have these older you know rock and roll Prince of or King of Pop all this stuff but modern like we don't really have anyone that's crushed it and knocked it out of the park I don't believe am I I don't know am I wrong I'm not that I know of no no right it's like like whether it would be a modern pop artist or even like a modern country artist like you would think we'd have somebody but no I don't I from what I see and I'm I like music I listen to a ton of music so
we're really missing on this one that like blows it up and goes like Global International and it's like just down the street in uh down 65 in Louisville like you've seen the rise of Jack harlo in the last five years maybe like one of my buddies was a huge Jack harlo fan before the pandemic yeah and he's like dude it was a Sunday night he's like I got these tickets dude to Jack harlo at the HiFi in Fountain Square it was not very it's not a very big venue and I responded I was like bro who's Jack harlo it's a Sunday like I'm not going
to a concert that happened this was February I'm pretty sure of 2020 yeah then Co hits what's popping comes like all he blows up and I'm still kicking myself to this day and I always go to Contra like even if I don't know the person and someone invites me I'm like I'm going because you never know who's going to just absolutely blow and here people are going to remember this podcast in a year from now man when you're out there crushing it even more than you already are cuz you already are crushing it like millions of streams dude which is hard to get now my
side tangent is over right I had to tell that story right uh but tell me about where you grew up you grew up in Indie right yeah so I grew up on the North side like I went to North Central High School Washington time ship pretty much like my entire upbringing you know what I mean um it's kind of funny a lot of the people that I know at least in the local music scene some of them I've known since elementary school middle school high school but yeah a lot of like my fourways into like jumping into music and stuff started while I was in
school man did so you knew early on that you this is what you wanted to do yeah I mean like my dad's side of the family is super musical you know what I mean like from top to bottom my grandmother I remember growing up going to church with her and she's like playing the organ leading the choir so music was kind of always around you know what I mean I was trying to be a rebel I was like no I'm going to play soccer I'm going to do basketball and just not jump into music but for some reason it just kept pulling me in until
I finally decided yeah I think I'm going to jump into this see how it goes yeah but I feel like when people say like oh I'm going to jump into music it's like playing in the choir or or singing in the choir or playing at church or you know like the pet band at school when was the moment where you're like oh you know I kind of want to do this as a career well you know it's crazy like that you bring up pep band and stuff I was never in pep band but I grew up you know you go into middle school and it's
like hey what instrument do you want to play and so I was trombonist and then you know got into euphonium and then did percussion and stuff cuz drums is my first instrument it was interesting because when I got to the end of high school basically I had the opportunity to go play soccer in college but I had a lot of stuff happened before then that kind of in my gut I was like this isn't where where I'm trying to go and so I got a job at at a music studio randomly my senior year like second semester of high school right and I was dead
set on just producing for other people managing other people and being behind the scenes but I remember one time a buddy of mine that I was very close with I wrote a song was really unsure about recording it saying it and he's like dude we got to do something with this and I was like please don't show anyone well he uploads it to SoundCloud without telling me and I walk into school and people like yo bro that's pretty dope you should like pursue that so we go to the studio he shows it to we recorded and within that month we recorded like 14 songs for
a whole album I was just skipping school going to the studio and writing songs and I remember it was probably like a couple months after that after the studio had a bunch of parties and showed my music to a bunch of people they're like dude I think you should jump into this and I was like well I'm not sure they're like you being sure doesn't really matter you you have something and you need to jump in and try that out man okay so so you said don't show anyone cuz a lot of to your art and it's like whether you're a poet or you're a
music producer or whatever the thing is you're like you're kind of get nervous about sharing that uh and like so how was that feeling when you walked into school like how were you feeling inside as you walked through people were like yo this is pretty dope honestly it was crazy because in a lot of ways like you know at least at that time I had a lot of social anxiety you know what I mean so I was friends with a lot of people but anything past a certain point I was like yeah I'm not showing people so singing oh bro that felt so like vulnerable
you know what I mean but to have people respond to it positively was kind of like a extra boost of like oh wow maybe I should try this out what was the first time you got on stage in in front of someone like officially that was last year last year okay so this was I mean 8 years then so you weren't singing in front of like large amounts of people you it was kind of like okay we're uploading the songs and people are listening to them pretty much but but it's like okay you graduate high school and you're like I'm going to pursue music but
like it doesn't pay the bills right off the off the jump right so are you still working at the studio then and or like what were you doing while you're trying to make this music career like come to life we're here in Broad Ripple and my mother and her business partner own a coffee shop just north of here called perkup Cafe oh you wait your mother is a part owner in perkup yeah yes I love that that's a little a nice little spot very intimate coffee shop there yeah so dude honestly like I was just working at the studio and then just working there and
just doing both of those things part-time and then when I had time I would just sit down and I really had to get disciplined about okay I'm going to work on music every single day but once I got into a rhythm of it it was just and that's the hard part right I mean I see that with you know creating content things like this it's like when it's fun and you have the idea easy oh my gosh so but it's like okay well you want to make this job you got to do this every single day to get a little bit better and when it's
like whatever's going on in your life you're like bro the last thing I want to do is like we'll work on and like no that's when you got to grind dude honestly like very early on in the process like when I wasn't super confident in my ability to stick with it like I was just always researching like oh what does this songwriter say this and a third and one thing that I heard that really changed my perspective on it was there's this guy who's been a songwriter for 20 years and he basically said if I wrote a song when I felt like it I would
never write songs so he was like you have to develop it as like a habit you know what I mean and at first that felt really daunting cuz I'm like oh my gosh I have to do this every single day now with where I'm at I realized that like okay some days I'm working 15 minutes cuz I can get a song knocked out in that time other times it's like 4 hours but me doing it consistently means that I'm not like putting the weight on my uh spirit of likeo this been weeks since I've written anything and I have no types of momentum and I
need to sit down and make something now that feels special you know what I mean opposed to yeah let me just dabble for for like days on end and something will come out basically where do you even start like okay you sit down you're like I want to write a song today where does it start honestly I just kind of just sit down and just start messing around because I've noticed in the past I would always go okay last time I made a song I started with the drums and that's what worked or this time I started with the singing that's what worked but then
I would sit down the next time and try to do the same thing and it just wouldn't it wouldn't work so I'm like you know what me just doing it I'll somehow find my way there and that's pretty much just worked up to this point man okay so so from Indiana where did these influences come so your grandma played the orgon did you have other musical influences that kind of like affected your life and got you to where you are today definitely so my dad has always been really into music and then my mom she's from Germany so her upbringing in music was totally different
from my dad's so I grew up listening to what lot of like Euro disco you know what I mean and then with my dad he was super into like Funk and house and all that type of stuff but the music that always really connected with me the most was whenever they would play like Phil Collins or Prince or Michael Jackson cuz some of my earliest memories of music is like my dad had you know the Phil Collins farewell tour like the first one you know he had like the live tour like the CDs right or the DVDs my bad basically put him in he'd be
watching him and I wasn't really paying attention but I just remember seeing this guy on stage like man like something about this resonates with me so that's really what stuck with me the most is like that lane of Music a lot of people's first like for into like pretty intense fun it's like Tarzan you hears on that goes wild that one and uh what was like Lion King also the soundtrack there goes hard and it's like if you if you like see a kid that's resonating with those and you're like okay maybe the music might be their their pathway yeah my girlfriend her nephew is
really into Lion King right now amazing every every song he like we're driving in the car he's like play this song play he has them all memorized he sings all the and I'm like so he's getting a drum set for his birthday for sure oh yeah dude I love that I think you know those early inspiration right from the Phil Collins Michael Jackson the prince uh has kind of had a Resurgence in music I feel like the weekend has kind of a Vibe like that there's a few other artists that have like really I mean a lot of synth you know it's all fun for
sure for sure uh I love that dude okay so where was the moment when you thought like okay this is fullon the career that I want to do with my entire life like the the inflection point even when I started doing it the goal was to kind of be at this point you know what I mean where things are basically at a Tipping Point but the moment it started to feel really real was actually when a buddy of mine named adri introduced me to the label that I work with now I was working on a project with a good friend of mine he was going
to Purdue at the time his name's Turner Dunlop and we were working for like a year on this project and I remember when we started started showing people the music people were like bro this is like this is pretty cool like I don't I don't know how you guys came up with this but this is really cool and you know at the time I was like yeah you know they're just kind of saying that you know trying to be cool but when a label was like yeah we like this that's when it really started to feel real take me through that process like what when
you say a label and you get this introduction like what does that look like so basically my buddy adri he had worked with uh the guys that run the label beforehand they were creative Agency for a long time is a label called absorb right when they were making the jump into like artist management and running a label they had contacted him and said hey we're looking for artists do you know anybody and d and I had built a relationship over the past couple of years you know cuz his girlfriend longtime girlfriend now was somebody that I had met at the studio I was kind of
her assistant for a while and she had done a lot of photos for my own music and so basically Adu was like yeah I know somebody sent them the music I guess some of the song songs connected and then they're like hey let's set up a meeting and so we went in talked about you know what are the goals what are we trying to do with this music thing where are we trying to be 10 years from now and I guess everything aligned and the second time I hung out with them they're like hey we want to put the paperwork together to sign you so
and so what does that mean they sign you and now you're signed to a label which is like seems like a big milestone but it's like okay do you one how does the rights work right with albums and stuff like I'm just really fascinated by this and to like do you start making money like do you have a salary are you on there like how does that work I've had the beautiful thing is and I'm super grateful for this I had had very close friends of mine who had signed to bigger labels so it wasn't like I was coming into the process completely like green
you know what I mean like I'd seen the advanced process you know like Hey we're flying you out this and the third but my situation is very different because I didn't get an advance upfront which is beautiful though because as soon as money started coming in it was like okay we're splitting this right down the middle so it's like a 50/50 Equity split versus like your money starts coming in and it all goes to them to pay back the advance that you took right yeah cuz the crazy thing about like advances and stuff and I saw this with a friend of mine is like okay
say they sign you for $150,000 that doesn't necessarily mean that as soon as your music makes $150,000 that you start getting paid sometimes they'll go okay for every dollar that comes in only 50 cents goes to the 150 which means that okay you have to pay back 300,000 before you see any money it's really like like the label math is crazy but I'm fortunate to work with people who are really just like above board very straight up so it's it's all been very transparent and I'm very thankful for that D cuz you do hear you only hear the Taylor Swift horror stories right where you're
like now you got to go record all your songs like in your own version or whatever like but it's also the other side is where you're trying to get the music career up off the ground you don't really have that many options right it's like okay well you know a percentage of something is better than nothing and I get to be a a musician fulltime now so it's like it's pros and cons for sure yeah and they definitely try to get the bigger labels or some people definitely try to get the Taylor Swiss when they're younger because at 16 17 you're like oh wow this
is just a cool thing to do and it's not until you're in like your mid 20s that you're like wait a minute wait I'm making billions of dollars like like you know like I'm making hundreds of millions of dollars or whatever it is like1 Million Dollar every time she plays a show exactly like yeah I would probably want to re renegotiate that a little bit too exactly yeah yeah man okay so you start rolling and then you sign with the label and where where do you go what do you do what happens after that so as we're like basically negotiating the contract and everything we
flew out to LA to work on pressure right and we worked on pressure and then my second song that we put out through them uh titled thrill and so the crazy thing is like my label situation has been very different than what I saw out of like my friends and stuff because the label I signed to was like much smaller very like startup basically or at the time was startup the relationship is so much deeper so my manager Owen and then the guy who basically is our producer his name is Jared from day one it was like this is how you put a song together
in a certain way hey this is an amazing song that you have this is how we can take it up a level basically I was under their tutelage and still am you know what I mean so they're like music guys yeah definitely that's cool because I feel like sometimes it's like you get the musician mixed in with the business guy of course and like to like almost like a mentor like helping you level up these songs that's super super cool yeah cuz I mean like Owen who I work primarily with on the music I mean he was in a band for a long time very
successful band and then went from that to working with The Band Perry so his depth of like industry knowledge and how to write compelling songs is just ridiculous you know what I mean so when I'm bringing in songs to him like there is a full trust that he's looking at it from a standpoint of not like oh is this trendy is this going to be cool and more of like is this just going to be great is this going to be compelling are we hitting a certain level of like excellence and being around him so much and like writing so much music and having him
give me feedback on it has gotten to a point where when I sit down and write I'm like internally does this hit that you know what I mean cuz in the beginning it's like oh I'm not really sure I'm not really sure but once I started to understand what the standard was you can kind of internally know this is one or this isn't one now there's still times where I'll send him a song that I don't feel like is it and he's like oh yeah this is is it but generally speaking it's calibrated the way that I think about music how many songs do you
create in a in any given year it's less now it used to be that I would try to write like two to three songs a week you know what I mean and it it wasn't just ideas just like full fledged but now it's less and the reason it's less is because it's like instead of me throwing a bunch of stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks now it feels much more intentional you know what I mean let me write a song and bring it to a certain place you know what I mean how put together an album like how do you choose what goes
on and what in what spots on an album so usually the way the process works is I'll write a song bring it to Owen if I feel good about it it's like cool that's an awesome one let's put that one you know in the stash and you basically keep writing keep writing keep writing until you have a a healthy amount of songs so you want to put out a five track EP or something like that all right let's have 30 songs you know because say you just go okay I want to put a five track EP out and then you just write five songs that's
cool but if you write more then it's like maybe song number 25 is better than song number four you know what I mean you're just casting a wider net to give yourself a better opportunity to put out the best possible work man yeah that's fascinating okay so so you signed with the label and they signed you based on the project that you kind of had laying in weight that and I think I mean they would tell you better than I would but I got the feeling that it was like off of those couple of meetings we had we saw where we wanted to go in
a very similar life like how are you quantifying success at that time like where were you at in your journey pre-label and then give us a glimpse of where you are now so pre-label honestly I was just happy to put music out you know what I mean putting it out on Spotify putting okay so you like were kind of doing it all yourself definitely I was fortunate to have amazing creative minds around me before I got to the label who were like hey what if we did concept projects and basically help bring those Concepts to life you know what I mean and so when when
I started working with the label it was basically that times 100 where it was like before I had like some real tight budget restrictions of like yeah I want to do this but I can't do that and it was like well let's try to do that to the best of our ability you know what I mean and then when I really started working with the label a big thing that changed was all right let's start looking at it instead of okay we're trying to take the big leap let's take the stairs the small steps the small little winds that basically build up over time and
lead to the Tipping Point of like wow we're really doing this so that's the biggest thing that changed I love that okay so where was like that first Tipping Point where you were like wow we're really doing this you signed the label and you fly to La you're bringing pressure to life yeah and what happens honestly that was probably the big Tipping Point even though we were still just developing it like I had been to LA in 2019 with a buddy of mine you know what I mean he had just signed and they flew him out and he was like yo come with me this
and a third but when we went out and were working on pressure that felt surreal and a lot lot of ways it feels like even though that was like four years ago it doesn't feel like that happened you know what I mean I'm like wow we were really out in La working on this song and that was my first time going through the process of all right let's do a bunch of takes because before I was used to ah five takes five vocal takes you know and we're done but that was like let's keep going and that was the first time I really like pulled
back the layers to see what was really possible and hands down changed my entire view of how I need to be working how long were you out there we out there for a week yeah just and working on one song that song and the song called thrill but those were the only two songs we worked on it was like 10 hour days but honestly it didn't feel like 10 hours though it just flew by we were just in it cuz that's kind of like a a first layer of a dream right it's like we're out in La working on music like I signed with a
label this is sick okay so so you're out there for 10 days you come back home was it easy to keep working hard when you were in Indiana oh for sure okay for sure cuz honestly it felt similar to when I came back uh from La in 2019 I remember cuz you know that flight back from La is strange where sometimes you get in at midnight but that flight we got in at like 5:30 in the morning and I didn't have to work that day and I remember we got off the plane my buddy gave me a ride home and I went straight from there
to the studio because I was just so incredibly motivated even when we got back from uh recording pressure I was like I want to work so that this is what it looks like all the time and did you ever think about hey let's make the transition and go live in LA full time oh yeah that's still on on the docket you know what I mean it's like the way I looked at it was okay we have something growing here when I first started working with them it was like let's take these baby steps so that something like that becomes like a full-time reality you know
what I mean and so that's where my energy has been for the past however are so many years now is just let me just get better and better and better and better cuz the way I always saw it was you go to a place like LA or New York one of The Big Industry towns you want to go there sharp you want to go there basically at your best because it is a incredibly competitive Nashville La New York there's a thou there's more than a thousand there's 10,000 young hungry artists trying to make their way for sure we're I talked with uh I talked with
eer mowans he was on The Voice uh from from Indianapolis okay and he was said something kind of similar like you can meet really really good minds and like you can stand out a little bit more in Indianapolis get yourself sharp and then spend your time out in these big cities like really coming in there like wow this guy from India sharp right exactly yeah and I think that's actually like the beautiful thing about Indiana is that this is a an amazing staging ground like this is the place to try a bunch of new things you know experiment as much as you can try to
get as sharp as you possibly can because then when you go to places like that it's like wow this person came out of nowhere but you just been working kind of offshore for a while how did you end up getting your songs on some hit television shows the song that ended up in uh sex appeal joy ride but not too long after that it got featured in one of spotify's official playlists the fresh finds pop playlist and you were the cover right yeah that was that was that was wild all right folks if you're in the mood for some seriously good eats let me tell
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there pretty much it's like an algorithmic thing yeah and all of a sudden like someone sends you like yo you're on the cover of this well it was funny like I used to do this thing where you know when we would put out a song I would just like refresh Spotify every single day and just go oh what do the plays look like and so I hopped on one time and you know at the bottom of your artist page it says featured in and it's like oh all the like playlist that uh individual users make and then I remember remember looking down it said fresh
finds pop it had like a little picture of me on it and I'm like wait a minute what is that so I click on it and it was like the Spotify official playist I'm like wow that's and how did that change your plays honestly it it was it changed my plays in a lot of ways basically it brought not only plays attention but that's how we got the connection that ended up getting everything in like sex appeal and the Kardashians because they emailed the label my management and basically said hey we found the song Joy Ride on the Spotify playlist this the third work out
an agreement where it's like hey you guys get paid when we get paid we want to get your music into you know film and TV and within probably like 5 months they had already secured the sex appeal placement and then wait Spotify had secured that or no the company that reached out to us the company that reached out from the label okay got yeah yeah yeah there's companies whose whole job it is to get music placed into film and TV like that's their whole grind their whole hustle right and so they reached out to us and said hey we'll do this you don't have to
pay us anything up front it's like when the payment comes in we just split it 50/50 and then go up go about our way basically and so yeah within like 5 months they had gotten Joy Ride into sex appeal and then a couple months later I remember my manager talking to me and going hey it's not set in stone yet but pressure may end up in the Kardashians and I'm like all right that's I all right I me so they're earning their paycheck right I'm like how do you even like respond to that that truthfully it's like well that's and had at that point had
uh the episode been released yet of sexial yeah yeah yeah so it was like a like a Hulu original movie and it had come out already so I was like wow that's cool and you know and like what did you did you see some lift from that yeah we saw a little bit of lift and it also looked really good just from a standpoint of like wow you had your song in a movie you know what I mean it was a good like Optical a real movie right that's pretty sick yeah it was wild it was really wild yeah okay so then fast forward hey
you might get in the Kardashians yeah yeah yeah this was probably beginning of Summer cuz I remember it was around the time of like the race and stuff so there was Rumblings about it he's like yeah it may be a thing it may not be a thing I'm very much the type of person where I'll celebrate when we're cross the finish line so if it's like hey this might be happening cool it might it might not yeah you don't want to get your hopes up until the ink dries right exactly I'm like hey you know I'll keep working until then I'll keep working past that
point is cool where were you when you got the call I was in the studio working on some music that we would end up putting out later that year yeah I got the call from my manager he was like yeah it's in like it's gonna happen just kept working and I remember the day it it premiered a friend of mine actually uh hit me up on Snapchat and was like yo I may be totally out of my mind right now but I swear I heard your song in the new Kardashians episode and I was like yeah that that was it and honestly the next couple
of months after that were crazy because it was like that pretty much pointed the arrow straight up just 90° vertical you know the Shazam started to go crazy the play started to go crazy it was like we're basically getting hit up on YouTube and everything like oh man like how did we miss this and it was it was a really cool time it was a really cool time I mean that's nuts again what did what did that lead to like what doors did that open honestly it just helped the plays a bunch you know what I mean it definitely opened up the door in terms
of like bringing more exposure cuz you know exposure is always an amazing thing that's kind of like the currency now is like getting more attention having more ey on what we were doing when we started to release subsequent songs them getting the certain Milestones was just happening faster and faster it was an it was an amazing time for sure and at that point you had never performed in front of anybody no wow yeah when did you realize that you're like oh you know what I might need to go do a show that was something that we had been building up to for a couple years
I actually had my first shows last year the Hi-Fi has like a smaller venue on top of it called the LOI Lounge yeah and so we did like a twoe residency in there and it was amazing time it was really cool tons of tons of people out there supporting yeah so the first one we did like RSVPs where it was like free like a free show and that one we basically packed it out on the RSVPs and then the next week after that was ticket sales and then we sold it out and to play to two soldout rooms as my first shows it was crazy
because I felt like performing was something I would enjoy I just didn't know I was going to enjoy it that much um because in a lot of ways like I like to be kind of out there I like to be kind of eccentric you know I like to talk and to be up there and have that be a situation where it's like oh all that stuff you enjoy doing do that except times whatever it just felt very natural where's your dream venue to play here in Indie Games Bridge oh that would be sick for sure that will be sick oh dang right on will be
sick okay so from there where did you end up playing we had done those two shows and it was like all right cool the go next goal is to open up for somebody you know what I mean who's coming through town but it's something that we spoke about uh before we started recording Indianapolis is more so like like a country more a rap town you know what I mean and so there wasn't a bunch of like mid to smaller level pop artists coming through cuz the pop artists that come through here are the biggest in the world I mean Taylor Swift basically had people hanging
out in the parking lot of Lucas Oil Stadium I mean you couldn't hear anything you couldn't I mean dude I was I was down in uh Fountain Square and it felt like every place I went into is like I don't know about you I'm feeling I'm like bro I I've heard Taylor Swift so much in this in in that weekend that I felt like I know her knew her personally you know I mean it was crazy like I loved it like I was down there like asking people how far they came like how far did you travel in to see Taylor Swift Denmark was the
furthest one I'd found really someone flew from Denmark it really is a spectacle whenever she shows up somewhere I mean the whole city basically shut down it was bigger than Allstar Weekend yeah like she it's it's insane I I'd never seen something like that like in person before and to see I'm like wow their traffic has changed because they want to see someone do what she did what two shows three shows three shows three shows Friday Saturday Sunday and what sold them all out right sold them all out and there were people that drove I I met people that drove from far away like North
Carolina Ohio without tickets oh yeah they like we're trying to scalp some at the last second there were maybe a hundred people with signs yeah I saw one sign that was like boyfriends husbands that don't want to be here like you could help make a little girl's day like like don't go give up your ticket and go watch football was crazy it was insane dude okay so the what what would be the dream artist to open for like in the next year or two when Taylor was here I was like you know what that is a that would be a hell of a reach but
that would have been a cool one to like open up for I mean insane because I think in a lot of ways bro you know she has been pop music for the last 15 years that would be someone cool to open up for post Malone definitely I feel like he's in his new country face which I very much enjoy oh yeah it's good stuff dude it's it's great he might be the most versatile like musician oh 100% he's really really good that would be that would be a really really good one oh for sure that song uh that he did with Morgan Wallen I had
some help fire dude that put me on a Morgan Wallen like last night that is an amazing song also fired bro you're speaking my language I love country music yeah I love the fact that like country music has had this Resurgence and this like I think for a long time people people were like oh I don't really like country music I'm like some of the best songwriters exist in the country music space you know what I mean and there's obviously there's like the whole debate of like pop country and like y y and it's like but there are some some really talented songwriters and really
tent that's not all just about trucks and beer exactly and I feel like if you look back through history like country music has always kind of like been in that pop sphere it was just only for a while there that it kind of like went out of it and was kind of trying to find its identity but I feel like country is like 100% back well probably because too it's like the radio like like with Morgan wall and post Malone you have it crossing over and like Taylor Swift started as a country like country music artist and Crosses over Beyonce drops their country Al like
come on country music is hot it is it is um okay so who did you end up playing for I opened up for this guy named Ricky Montgomery we planned like a mini tour and so we were doing uh La Nashville and then we finished out at the high-f five back in December and right as we're about to go out and like do these shows Michael uh who's our like strategic Partnerships guy he gets contacted but from someone by someone from uh Old National and they're like hey we have this guy coming through would you want to open it was literally like a week before
we were going to go to La and we're like yeah I mean it just made sense and it went off it went really well it went really well so you so you go from playing the lowii lounge at the at the high five building yeah to opening up at Old National for what was his name Ricky Montgomery for Ricky Montgomery yeah it was was the deluxe room so it was like the basement venue you know what I mean amazing venue the staff was great everyone was really cool how many people roughly I think they said it ended up being like 700 dang yeah and I
mean the LOI Lounge is about 100 175 somewhere in there right so it's like you're 7x right yeah it was a jump it was a jump and then you end up going out to LA yeah and how's that it was crazy because the venue that we played in La was this place called The Peppermint Club um oh I've heard of that yeah the it's West Hollywood I think yeah yeah and it's crazy because back in 2019 when I went to LA for the first time I was 20 the reason we were out there was cuz my buddy 1996 Montana shout out to 1996 great guy
amazing songwriter the label he signed to was this one called 88 rising and they had this Festival every single year called head in the clouds and so they were like hey we want you to come to the festival we'll put you up in Airbnb this at of third so we go and you know the day was amazing Joi performed it was like it was a great day all around and I didn't know we knew there was going to be an after party we just didn't know it was going to be like right after the show and so we're on the party bus on the way
to the to the club and we're having a great time this and third and it's probably like 10 minutes before we pull up that Montana's like wait a minute you're not 21 and that that pretty much killed my entire like high I was like wait yeah I'm not 21 and we're like okay so we're going to sneak past the bouncers this s third man we pull up there's three bouncers checking IDs I'm like crap bro so I I I tell Montana yeah go ahead and call the Uber at that exact moment Montana's manager was like hold up wait yo Phil yo Phil and on the
side door there's this guy that Montana's manager knew and and he's like oh T what's going on what's going on what's going on he's like yeah uh I'm cool my buddy B him here he's in VIP and Phil looks at me he's like you're in VIP I'm like yeah I'm in VIP so he basically sneaks me into the club right and so I'm in there and I'm like whoa I'm in like a industry party right now this is crazy had a great night probably drank way too much haven't really even drank since then but fast forward however so many what 5 years and when they
told us hey you're going to be doing a show in la oh we at the peppermint club I'm like wow that is like an insane full circle yeah same Club so going in and walking in it felt so surreal because I remember when we got back from LA and I was like working in the studio like internally I was like I need to I I have to get back there I have to so to be able to get back there with the help of an amazing team got to shout out the team always to be able to get back there and do a show there
with other like La artist was that was really cool that's nuts Co were there anyone anyone notable at that party Joi was there Rich briyan was there it was pretty much 88 rising's whole like roster of people it was real dope yeah dude yeah unreal so what's on the future what's coming down the pipeline for you so honestly we're looking to just continue putting on music would love to like open up for someone on tour this year who's coming through town like who who do we have circled I have no clue I've just been focused on like writing the music and everything I've an amazing
team who does a great job of like keeping their finger on the pulse of who's doing what I'm sure whatever it ends up being is going to be amazing so heck yeah dude I love that when uh when can we expect more music coming out from you it's in the works oh that's all I can say it's in the works it's in the works it's in the works hey hooers let me tell you about Keller and Keller our respected Indiana based Law Firm that's here for all of us from Evansville to South Bend they've been serving hooer since 1936 and they really know what it
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we're going to round out the show we're going to talk just some some fun kind of Rapid Fire questions and pieces of advice and stuff like that for other hooers that are that want to break into the music scene what's your best advice for them music is interesting cuz it it it attracts a lot of people who aren't down with the 9 to5 you know what I mean the funny thing is I feel like a lot of the same things that will help you do well in music are the same things that would help you do well in like corporate or in 9 to5 work
being a good cooworker just being a good person in general you know what I mean networking really well and then just making sure that you're bringing forth the best quality stuff that you possibly can and I think coupling that with the attitude that you know what this is my best right now but I'm also down to accept and like take in and internalized feedback so that I can get better that by itself is going to do wonders I think that is an underrated piece of any type of creative a lot of times it's like well this is my vision this is my this and but
like being able to take the feedback from whether it's a mentor or the people that are listening to your music or whatever it is and incorporate that into what you're producing next for sure like gold exactly I mean incredible yeah have a self-confidence but don't don't allow it to get into a place of like ego you know what I mean you can develop a ego when like the laws of nature no longer apply to you which is like never so you know what I mean it's like stay levelheaded and understand that there's always another level you could Aspire towards you're 26 now what's the goal
by 30 I'd love to be doing full headline tours I know what that would look like in terms of what I need to do to prepare for that but I feel like the beautiful thing about working with the label that I've worked with is they've never put me in a situation that I wasn't ready for you know what I mean even when pressure came out and was doing really well there was never like a oh we're going to force this into a place of you got to be ready right now I've had time to really refine develop the right habits and so when I'm looking
at four years from now being 30 I know I'll be able to handle whatever comes is the next Milestone you're looking to cross off like open for someone coming through town well honestly it would just be opening for someone on tours who and who's that like who who are we eyeing there that it would be fun you ever heard of the band nightly I would love I would love to work with them amazing pop music it's kind of like the 1975 a little bit Yeah like that lane would be cool but like I said I'm honestly just really open uh because the funny thing is
every time I've gone oh yeah I want to do this something completely different from it has popped up and I'm like you know let's try this out and it's worked really well so well nightly if you're a listener to the get in podcast we got four plus million streams on Spotify we're ready to open for you this upcoming tour in 2025 let's make that happen right let's let's clip that and see if we can get some traction that what other musicians do you get inspiration from I love Harry Styles man that fine line project is phenomenal yeah incredibly so it felt like when I heard
fine line like the entire project reminded me of like being a little kid listening to like Michael Jackson and Phil Collins it just had that that Timeless feeling to it yeah I'd say that's like my number one right now okay this question is brought to you by our friends or Fellowship they're a great organization here in Indiana helping develop young Business Leaders across the state what advice would you give to your 22-year-old self walking your own path will always get the best results for a long time and I think it's just it's just a common thing in in human beings you know what I mean
it's like oh this person's not doing it that way should I be doing it this way it's like look I think when you step out into doing any type of creative Venture you're almost stepping out into the Wilderness a little bit kind of trying to walk your build your own trail I would just tell my 22-year-old self like just keep going down the path of just being authentic and being real to you don't worry too much about oh what I'm doing doesn't look like what that person's doing it doesn't have to it just needs to look authentic to you that's all that matters amen I
love that man and just keep on the keep on the path exactly heck yeah describe your music in one word I'd say Universal and the reason I say that is because I feel like outside of maybe one song I feel like there's something for everybody oh you're not into R&B music well there's a pop song for you not into pop songs well there's kind of like a harder almost like pop rock song for you you know what I mean I feel like that's the one thing that has felt really cool is seeing all these different types of people who aren't normally in the same room
be into the into the music if someone is just discovering your music give them a one two three play this play this play this pressure remember regrets pressure remember regrets mhm sounds like a three like a crazy weekend Oh 100% yeah yeah yeah um what's your go-to PumpUp song probably some trap music I'll probably put some future on if I'm feeling extra cranked out it probably be some slip knot um yeah you know what I mean slip 100% like if I'm going cause a Ruckus oh 100% like you got to you've got to be careful listening to slip knot in the car that's that's a
that's a speeding ticket waiting to happen bro yeah yeah yeah that's like sir have you been drinking tonight no just been playing slip yeah yeah I'm going to get off with a warning if I show him the slip knot for sure yeah defitely yeah okay easiest musical instrument to play hardest musical instrument to play I think the learning curve on the piano is pretty easy I think drums is the hardest I also agree with this so I'm I'm currently working with artist development Studio they're up in Carmel and I'm doing like a five-part series where I learn how to play drums B guitar keyboard sing
and I'm going to release a song awesome like it's going to be a swing blues song all about Indiana and I had played drums in like you know Middle School the middle school band for it was great yeah they put me on the kit right dude your left hand's doing something your right hand's doing something your left foot your right foot and I'm like bro it was so hard yeah dude the coordination is crazy and I think too when it comes to like piano and guitar not to diminish at all what you can do on both but I feel like you can lean into technique
pretty heavily with both of those I feel like with bass and with drums it is so feel Centric like because you're the metronome of the entirety of the song yes you have to feel that like and if you just don't feel that then it's tough to even play I went from drums I went from drums to Bass and bass was I had never held a bass guitar within a 1 hour lesson I was like oh this is groovy cuz two things right it's like your hand and your hand exactly but like I was like oh I'll pick up drums so easy no it was so
hard so now I'm excited my next one I think I'm going to go guitar and then keyboard and then vocals and and we're going to see if we can drop a song by the summer hell yeah who's your all-time favorite musical icon I think Prince is up there Kanye's up there dude he really is it it's it's crazy man it's crazy like I think he's he's gone off the deep end a little bit like mentally well a lot of bit I'm saying a little bit but his run from like 03 to what like 2013 I don't know if we'll ever see something like that again
crazy I mean every album was a classic I just had Joey cus on the show and he designed shoes for Kanye like three three projects with him and he was like he was crazy he said he's he's like definitely went off the deep end but like working with him it was just nuts oh yeah you're talking about like College Dropout late registration yeus I mean all of those projects you can tell how how forward thinking he was because with those early projects they came out and were instantly hits but then like 808s and heartbreaks in My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy they came out and people
were like ah I don't really know about him and then two years later when music just sounded like that it was like oh wow he was ahead of the curve you know I Kan has been on this yeah he is he has I'm not saying this is a pro Kanye podcast but we have to respect the art not the artist yeah he was like when people started talking about uh separate the art from the artist that was the first person I thought of yeah Amen to that okay last question of this lightning round if you could only play one venue in the world you can
play as many shows as you want there but one venue what would it be probably Wembley Wembley in England dude that' be nuts you know what I mean that's that's a good I would also other good answer I mean Red Rocks he just like have a residency at Red Rock would just be nuts dude that venue is insane yeah I saw what's it Bill bur's uh comedy special at Red Rock yeah Red Rocks I never I didn't see it in person but he put it out on uh Netflix I love that it's good okay respect respect okay I asked these questions to everyone that sits
in the chair uh what's something the world needs to know about Indiana some of the most forward thinking ideas that you're currently consuming have come out of Indiana Oh I mean Chipotle the founder of Chipotle is from Indianapolis the guy that was the uh CEO of McDonald's when they had like 24-hour breakfast and everything and that he graduated from North Central High School he's from Indianapolis just Indiana in general I mean the basketball players by themselves you know what I mean it's like you'll see these people on the world stage and it's like wow these people are doing crazy things and it's like all Road
seem to point back to here which you would you wouldn't expect you know what I mean but Steve 's yeah born in Indianapolis Indiana founder of Chipotle no way even the guy who uh American Horror Story he's from here as I I had heard that one too I got that one wrong wow this is it so Steve Ells the guy who found a trotle born in Indianapolis where did you know did he go to high school here I have no idea cuz he ended up going to Colorado Boulder but yeah Steve Ells he's a hoer let's get him on the show I love that okay
Forward Thinking ideas coming out of Indiana I totally agree with you you know what I mean what is a Hidden Gem in Indiana Hot Boys in Fountain Square you got s Square in Fountain Square you go down to Bloomington you can go to Mama bears there's just so much good food like in the Indiana those are I love that you started with hot boys too they're that's fire yeah I love Hot Boys Like if you like I'm I'm going if you think like Dave's Hot chicken is good it's it's all right but Hot Boys is phenomenal there's a there's another location up in Caramel too
unreal you got to go check out hot boys yeah shout out to Hot Boys they're uh one of their owners Aaron great dude he he he helped a lot with that show in uh December I mean like basically when we told him about it we got posters to him and like all the little napkin holders had the poster in it so shout out to Aaron shout out to Hot Boys amazing people for is the guy I love that okay final question of the day who's a hooer that we need to keep on our radar someone who's doing big things there's this R&B artist her name
is ma she's already worked with like K trinada and farel and Chris Brown she's from here she's really good she's really good okay what was your ma it's spelled m a e t a ma all right we're going to have to keep her on a radar uh and and uh show her some love yeah I love it well to end the show today we're going to do something we haven't done before we're going to play pressure on the way out and we're going to Just Vibe to it for a second so everyone knows you need to go where can they find your music where can
they find you connect with you all the things so basically if you use any social media platform uh I'm mostly on Instagram I'm on X sometimes or a lot as well but on Instagram it's I am buam i a m b a ye M and then you can check me out on Spotify SoundCloud I don't know lime wire if it still exists where did the name biome come from so my grandfather he's from Cameroon rest in peace to him and so he came from a really small tribe up North so when it was time for my siblings and I to be named my parents wanted
us to have like tribal names so Bim is a tribal name and it means the one that does good unto others that's a mic drop right there oh right on man thanks for coming on the show it was spectacular and I'm excited to watch you to uh to flourish and keep making the ho your state proud man hey thanks for having me [Music] man I Feel Complete thinking back to when things were simple I'm moving on but now I'm stuck somewhere in the middle I Chang up little got pushed down a little I stayed up but now it's all right I walk down the road
I cried in the cold iived it old it was on in due [Music] time always going to change coming under pressure look through the streets memories when we were [Music] civil your arms burn out theil and all this makes [Music] me I'm not the same always going to change I'm always feeling pressure I'm not the [Music] same change [Music] comess I changed up a little got pushed down a little I stayed up alone and now it's all right I walked down the road I cried in the cold iived it all [Music] in I'm the same I'm always feeling [Music] pressure fire that's a wrap we'll
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